On Sun, Oct 30, 2005 at 01:14:10PM +0100, Christian Müller wrote: > >Mmm, ... investigating, it seems that for some obscure reason miboot was no > >more executable, fixed, so tomorrows build should be ok. > > Thanks, I'll give them a try. Will the floppy come out when asking for > root.bin?
It will do the right thing, as it should, obviously. > >Joeyh, i think i want to get ride of the else copy, and *NOT* build those > >miboot floppies for the official realeses, since they caused more harm than > >help for the sarge release. > > > > > If a boot floppy without the miboot part would be of any use to someone, > you might as well keep the else branch - as for the official releases, > is it really such a problem to have people test such a disk on some > machines before including it in, say sarge? There is two logical ways > one can go to get something stable, a) don't include it b) test it. I'm > asking this in curiousity, as I really can't imagine - not to piss > someone off. If you decide to include stuff without having done b) > sufficiently, than *please*, at least put a bold README onto those > floppy directorys warning that this is untested, maybe with some > pointers to discussion threads (speaking of the official stable sarge > dist) and bugs that are known about. That is beside the point. The miboot stuff wasn't included for legal reasons, and i don't even understand why it was included in woody. There is no issue of testing involved here, and it is rather desobliging of you to even suggest it, which i think will not endear our cause to anybody involved. If you had bothered to check the mailing list archive of both debian-boot and/or debian-powerpc, you would have noticed numerous posts about this selfsame issue going back over a year, please go and read them, and then appreciate the rather consequent work we all invested in this issue for mostly old and obsolet hardware nobody uses anyway, and then i expect you to show a bit more humility next time. What have you done yourself, downloaded a couple of floppies without even investigating the issues, and made wild claims ? > >>unlike the old 2.4 images, or those 2.2 images from woody (which I > >>obviously can't forget as each newer boot set seems to get worse - or > >> > >> > > > >Please, consider that we are all helping you out of our own free time, and > >the > >last you could do is stay polite and stop denigrating our work without > >knowledge of what is going on and such. Also, if you had filed a proper bug > >report, like asked on the debian-installer page, instead of random rants, > >it > >would have helped us find the issue earlier. > > > > > > Please, consider that testing things takes time too and it's also done > on my free time, I did not at all intend to denigrate your work or the It sounded highly like it. > like. In fact I'm using it and I wan't to get it as useful again as it > was, in the points I criticized. I am thankful for what is done and Well, there was a bug, its fixed now, thanks for reporting it, but that doesn't give you right to speak about the work of all the debian-installer team in such tones. > understand that kernel changes/dist upgrades take time and nerves. It's > frustrating to see how dedicated people work on beautiful stuff that in > the end can't be put to work, since they do not seem to have a little > patience with their testers. Both of our time is put to better use It's also interesting to see how wanabe-testers don't know how to use google or read mailing list archives :) That said, it is well possible that the sarge release notes didn't mention this, in which case it is a bug in the sarge release notes, and the right way is to file a bug report against it (installer probably, maybe www.debian.org), but not to come complaining at me in private. But in any case, i am not sure you checked those release notes and erratas. > fixing+testing things than ranting each other. Let us concentrate on > the rational parts. Yep, from which your petty complaints distracted me :) > So, while sending problems to /dev/null might be comfortable, there just > might be more fun in helping each other out. And, have i not been helpful ? Have i not fixed the issue now ? And you will see when you investigate google with previous posts on the subject that i account for at least half of those posts. > ps: i'll have a look at the debian-installer page Good idea :) > pps: if you decide for /dev/null please let me know, so that I won't > keep sending you mails you won't read Just write the lists instead of private mail, this way other which had similar problems than you a month ago could have helped. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
