On Tue, 2015-09-29 at 15:13:28 +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > Le mardi, 29 septembre 2015, 14.34:35 Guillem Jover a écrit : > > W/o anyone to implement this in the menu programs, this is just > > wishful thinking, and might leave big chunks of our users with > > inaccessible applications. On either side of the fence. > > Yes. That's exactly the point: the work to keep the 'trad menu' relevant > is to be made by those who care about it.
You seem to be framing this as a XDG vs menu formats. I see it in great part as applications showing up on WM/DE or not. The collateral damage from the TC decision are applications, WM/DE and its users from either format. > > > "The TC" is not going to engage in detailed design work (or > > > implementation work, for what is worth), although any of its members > > > could (but I don't see this happening). > > > > Exactly my point. This is the equivalent of mandating that the Debian > > Future Team should design and implement an FTL engine, where of course > > the TC has not engaged in any design work. This to me fails §6.3.5. > > I obviously disagree, but invite you to challenge this decision in > forums other than the debian-policy list. I find that such kind of formal bureaucratic move would be a waste of time, which if I wanted to waste, I'd rather do trying to get the TC disbanded as a toxic and polarizing institution for the project. But I don't think the project is prepared for this, just yet. > Second, the TC has not mandated any work to any particular team: it > changed the ecosystem in which the 'trad menu' programs evolve. Mind > you, program ecosystems evolve all the time; 'trad menu's was relying on > the Debian Policy mandating entries for all applications "that need not > be passed any special command line arguments", the TC decision drops > that requirement. Err, no, the TC has explicitly made it "impossible" for the two systems to coexist, breaking existing support, and forcing maintainers to choose one or other ecosystems, w/o any working solution in sight for WM/DE not supporting the XDG system. Which has made the situation even worse than before, in a very anti social way. And I don't see how point 3 of the TC resolution can be read otherwise, but whatever. Anyway this discussion in itself is a waste of time, so I'm getting out… Regards, Guillem
