On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 11:39:03AM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 03:41:54PM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:08:18AM +0200, Sune Vuorela wrote: > > > What's next? prohibiting 'tip of the day' kind of dialogs? First run > > > wizards? > > > Or warnings that this is a dangerous/experimental/developer/debugging > > > tool > > > that might eat your dog if you aren't careful? > > > > I don't intend this as a slippery slope; I very specifically want to > > cover the types of annoyances mentioned in the above paragraph, which > > almost no software in Debian actually includes. See the transmission > > bug I linked to in the original bug submission. > > > > If you installed something from Debian main, I think you'd find it > > rather upsetting to run that software and get a prompt saying "By > > running this software, you agree that ..." with an "I Agree" button. > > This suggested policy change tries to cover cases like that; nothing > > more. > > I agree.
I don't. I'm with Sune Vuorela on this. > I think the consensus in Debian is I don't see such consensus. > that such click-through agreement > have no legal basis Not true in general. > (at least as far as Debian main is concerned) Main or not does not matter for the legal basis. > so they are > are best misleading, Some click-through agreements are not misleading at all. > so we should fix them by removing the misleading part > (e.g. by making it a simple disclaimer). Debian should decide case by case. > If upstream believe that doing so is creating liability for them, then we > should > question whether upstream is comfortable with the right to distribute > modified > version in the first place. I guess we should all do what we feel comfortable with. > > Debian should not be an agent in propagating the myth of enforceability of > click-through agreement in general Debian should not start a myth of the opposite. > and in particular when they can be > contrary to DFSG 6. (No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor) and > 7. (Distribution of License): > > 7. Distribution of License > The rights attached to the program must apply to all to whom the > program is redistributed without the need for execution of an > additional license by those parties. > > The wording "By running this software, you agree that ..." is very close > to the execution of an additional license. Then you admit that it may have legal effect. :-) All depends on the shown text. For example, the click-through disclaimer quoted by Paul on bug 689095 simply reflects reality/truth, as Paul explained well. I see no conflict with the DFSG. It is, in my opinion, perfectly reasonable to not remove this click-through disclaimer. I'm not saying that Debian should preserve all click-through messages. I'm just saying that each case should be looked at separately, without general rule in Debian about click-through messages. So I suggest to close bug 690495 without modification to debian-policy. Regards, Bart Martens -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121019110723.ga3...@master.debian.org
