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Debian bug tracking system administrator (administrator, Debian Bugs database) -------------------------------------- Received: (at submit) by bugs.debian.org; 26 Aug 2005 22:18:39 +0000 >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Aug 26 15:18:39 2005 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from frodo.hserus.net [204.74.68.40] by spohr.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 1 (Debian)) id 1E8mX1-0005GD-00; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:18:39 -0700 Received: from tc218-187-20-45.dialup.dynamic.apol.com.tw ([218.187.20.45]:4069 helo=jidanni1) by frodo.hserus.net with esmtpsa (Cipher TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.52 #0) id 1E8mWz-00050J-8B by authid <jidanni> with plain for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 03:48:38 +0530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dan Jacobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Debian Bug Tracking System <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Debbugs-No-Ack: please Subject: debian-policy: mention if coincidence runlevels 2345 all same X-Mailer: reportbug 3.15 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 04:09:46 +0800 Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on spohr.debian.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-11.0 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,HAS_PACKAGE, X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=2.60-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Package: debian-policy Version: 3.6.2.1 Severity: wishlist One wants to know the exact definition of each of the Debian run levels. We see 9.3. System run levels and `init.d' scripts 9.3.1. Introduction The `/etc/init.d' directory contains the scripts executed by `init' at boot time and when the init state (or "runlevel") is changed (see init(8)). But the more general Linux man pages shouldn't be expected to have each run level detailed clearer than in the Policy document. Anyways, way below one finally finds By default `update-rc.d' will start services in each of the multi-user state runlevels (2, 3, 4, and 5) and stop them in the halt runlevel (0), the single-user runlevel (1) and the reboot runlevel (6). Well right at the top of 9.3.1 I would say what each run level is, using one line to explain each runlevel, for a total of 0123456S = 8 lines. Anyway, on other Linuxes, 3 is text: /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO/misc-init.html: 7.2. Change init level to textual Alter the default from run level 5 (multiuser with X Window System) to run level 3 (multiuser). But on debian, level 2 3 4 5 are all the same, apparently, but apparently by silent agreement. Policy should give some clue why they are all the same, lest users wonder if they forgot to install text-mode or something. "On other Linuxes, Policy is 3 is textmode, but on Debian one cannot find any statements about this." Not in man inittab, man init, /etc/inittab, etc. Perhaps mention that "text mode" can be achieved by just disabling X -- mention the best way then. One might even save inodes by just linking rc5.d->rc2.d etc. Or just having one of 2345 in the first place. Anyways, "say something on why 2 3 4 5 are exactly the same on Debian", or if it is cool for packages to casually claim a whole runlevel for themselves and their friends or whatever. At least mention something to people looking for Debian's "text mode." --------------------------------------- Received: (at 325234-done) by bugs.debian.org; 24 Dec 2005 18:35:20 +0000 >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Dec 24 10:35:19 2005 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from host-12-107-230-171.dtccom.net ([12.107.230.171] helo=glaurung.internal.golden-gryphon.com) by spohr.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1EqEEh-000876-Gi for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:35:19 -0800 Received: from glaurung.internal.golden-gryphon.com ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [127.0.0.1]) by glaurung.internal.golden-gryphon.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jBOIXiuL016682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:33:44 -0600 Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by glaurung.internal.golden-gryphon.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id jBOIXiGh016681; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:33:44 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: glaurung.internal.golden-gryphon.com: srivasta set sender to [EMAIL PROTECTED] using -f From: Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Dan Jacobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bug#325234: debian-policy: mention if coincidence runlevels 2345 all same Organization: The Debian Project References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAACYAAAAwCAMAAABKbPgaAAAAM1BMVEUAAADIjH/0rp1KPz79 0b+ic2nlpJc2Ly2AY17VlYb4uqi2gHQXFBN2WVXgno5iT02Xa2Nx+jaIAAACVElEQVQ4jeWU23bj IAxFLUAggQX6/6+dI9LGTpo+9mlYiXNhc3TnOP50naZE0tqvgEk+soutnNfQ8yPTWMTENhNrjI+Y +N7POVt8tAzpn2vJlsmttbyfrdkP7hx5iezteGzsbOts7xT+tC1mcG+LtRP2X/16bEQExuyx1uZW vscrAWUT8aE0aDBeBuw8nS5u4WgWyDCllOZUBeyWgbWbGrBsTDpTx0qpphlcYPcgJLvBXFClPMg5 6WH2JidLIAaDF5aAed7uPTH4bjw0bZvfajp2tHc1F+cBm+Vr9YomGSwNhbmcczYEWUu5MBpYvCLV F+ZIKwQfYB+CBXnIRQFvIRhK6l96PemsFLEPFxi+MPxiTYH0Ave1InPsIYes3NJb42ytBSmmysyj lIQYHJm6Im1WbQ0kWMesKFRFPKTDzJ3GhWUn2KWKEkWlKthoACLm2eWJQQh2qKbAUgQxa+8TVjn1 aySm8656ookCfCc5TRzvnZ6YOu3NpHg+uR5YuRkNF/b5IHq5Y7Ve6c2+sR4hqIZ3+5DCt3ukh8Eo vFIXVJxqfMdbkd/BF3YaQkB/2RIUHPMS7RLVAHefrYzWZVQ/ei4peBsROFLi90ltQyvF5I05t4Zs L4C9DODJ2AZCUf8UitGjCIdfx15QQkfZibTOGT3edxns5fY6F2rstKcTwiiaJnQwvYkdzTlaTqNH IkSmGdLrON45tGsMNDoSYr4bxH5emHEFaoFjKBahHXFXfLx9cR9p6ejJXihuxPz57gWHZkWovbPl 9gsU8eImtBi++3D+f+sfT/Mg79fyEz8AAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-URL: http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ Mail-Copies-To: nobody X-Hashcash: 1:25:051224:[EMAIL PROTECTED]::JUIxRhaiH5ajTapn:000000000000000000000000000000000000000sOSt X-Face: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/;Y^gTjR\T^"B'fbeuVGiyKrvbfKJl!^e|e:iu(kJ6c|QYB57LP*|t &YlP~HF/=h:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:6Cj0kd#4]>*D,|0djf'CVlXkI,>aV4\}?d_KEqsN{Nnt7 78"OsbQ["56/!nisvyB/uA5Q.{)gm6?q.j71ww.>b9b]-sG8zNt%KkIa>xWg&1VcjZk[hBQ>]j~`Wq Xl,y1a!(>6`UM{~'X[Y_,Bv+}=L\SS*mA8=s;!=O`ja|@PEzb&i0}Qp,`Z\:6:OmRi* X-Hashcash: 1:25:051224:[EMAIL PROTECTED]::FXKIWA/3WUvOI5FT:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000070NMF X-Hashcash: 1:25:051224:[EMAIL PROTECTED]::Yju+D7YsQXzHcil2:0000000000000000000000000000000004WT78 Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:33:44 -0600 In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Dan Jacobson's message of "Sat, 27 Aug 2005 04:09:46 +0800") Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-CRM114-Score: -27.1578 X-CRM114-Status: Good ( pR: -27.1578 ) X-SA-Orig: -8.399, -27.1578 X-Spam-Value: -14.3522111111111 X-Grey: White X-SA-Rep: -14.3522111111111 ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00,HASHCASH_25 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang version 2.53 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) on 192.168.1.10 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on spohr.debian.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=no version=2.60-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Hi, This is not something that policy should be driving. manoj -- GREAT MOMENTS IN HISTORY (#7): November 23, 1915 Pancake make-up is invented; most people continue to prefer syrup. 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