On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:24:23 +0000 ( ), Manong Dibos wrote: > >> Is that you making this decision, or has it been discussed? > >It has been thoroughly discussed. The Debian project proper doesnt need >the hastle. > >> It would just make me feel good to add this item to my list of 'daily >> felonies' while I >> still can. I think it would also make a lot of people in the project fell >> real good about >> openly supporting me (and others who should dare) in my effort in doing so. > >I would happily support you, because I know you are standing up for >what is right... But then I would feel incredibly guilty when you >actually went to jail, and here is me who has been egging you on, and yet >I cant even help you out with the legal bills or in any other way.
"I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. What I can do, I should do and, with the help of God I will do!" - Everett Hale To some people it is more important to live their lives in a certain way, then the length of which they will be allowed to live it. At this point in my life, that is where I stand. I am a big boy and know full well what I am doing. I don't demand or ask that the entire project do as I do, but I find it morally distasfull that many would rather turn their backs on such actions then openly embrace them for the spirit in which they were performed. What a bunch of sheep.....this type of ideoglogy is why laws like this exist in the first place. I often come in contact with companies making crypto openly available on their FTP sites with nothing more then a disclaimer. I feel the Debian archives should do the same. Of course if someone who is donating FTP service doesn't want it, we shouldn't try to force them to host it, but the FTP sites that ARE willing should be allowed, and should be openly acknowledged. Again this is coming back to arguments I have raised previously about Bruce forming a corporation and using the Debian name, and the US centricity off it all. Linux and Debian is the most international OS their has ever been. People outside the USA should not have to deal with any of this, but still they have to run around finding these hidden packages. They are extremely viable, most often desired, and should a and ought to be part of the complete distribution, even if some US sites are unable to host them. IMHO quality of product is diminished without then. Often the crypto packages are dated and not as well maitained of other 'official' packages, and I feel the reason is that they are not part of the standard dist. It would be so simple for one person (those that are willing of course) to maitain both an Apache, and Apache-SSL version, but because we have two people doing this they are always playing catch up with each other. And this is a perfect example. I was ready to compile in SSL myself until I 'happened' to find there was now a 1.2.0 package for it. Of course the current, non-SSL apache is 1.2.4 so until their is a chance for an update it doesn't do me a lot of good. I happened to find this from answer to an inquiry on user. Searches of the archive bring up nothing, be cause not even dummy link to these fies have been provided. >We may all support you morally... But from the majority of us, I think >thats the only support you'll get. Just to warn you. I really respect >you, and will use your mirror. But just to let you know. > >> I believe that up until the site admin that hosted ftp.debian.org got upity, >> the project >No. From what I remember, the site admin got a warning letter from the >NSA. It was acted on promptly. NSA boys are not fun to mess around with. Interesting. I'd like to get the full story on this....I assume it was a blanket intimidation letter sent out to some big sites. I guess it worked. >I sympathize with you man, but your country (the US) is a fascist, Nazi >land, and the army is in training, not to take out enemies, but almost all >their training now is targetted at putting down rebellions WITHIN the US. >What kind of country does that? The land of the taxed and the home of the slave..... Hey but we don't want the rest of the world to feel left out! We've sent all these soliders, uhmmm peace keepers to over 100 countries around the world, yes half the nations on the planet, to help with 'peace keeping' efforts, with their tanks and rifles. It makes we feel so good that the few taxes they are able to squeeze out of me, help go to fund the 'world police'. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/ Linux Router Project
