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Debian bug tracking system administrator (administrator, Debian Bugs database) -------------------------------------- Received: (at submit) by bugs.debian.org; 28 Mar 2004 16:31:40 +0000 >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Mar 28 08:31:40 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from mail-in.m-online.net [62.245.150.237] by spohr.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 1 (Debian)) id 1B7dCG-0001S4-00; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 08:31:40 -0800 Received: from mail.m-online.net (svr14.m-online.net [192.168.3.144]) by svr8.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A824C011 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 18:31:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from sol.so.argh.org (ppp-82-135-4-50.mnet-online.de [82.135.4.50]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618C96AA3D for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 18:31:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from aba by sol.so.argh.org with local (Exim 4.22 #1 (Debian) [+prerelease]) id 1B7dCE-0007Q8-Q2 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 18:31:38 +0200 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 18:31:38 +0200 From: Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PROPOSAL] require depending on split-off packages Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60-bugs.debian.org_2004_03_25 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on spohr.debian.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,HAS_PACKAGE autolearn=no version=2.60-bugs.debian.org_2004_03_25 X-Spam-Level: --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Package: debian-policy Version: 3.6.1.0 Severity: wishlist Hi, we had some discussion the last days about whether a package must depend on a split-off package. I herby propose to add a section 7.5.3 to the policy with the words: 7.5.3 Moving files or functionality to another package If some functionality is moved from one package to another (also at splitting off a package), the first one must depend on the second for the time of at least one stable release. By this, no functionality is removed on dist-upgrade. Cheers, Andi --=20 http://home.arcor.de/andreas-barth/ PGP 1024/89FB5CE5 DC F1 85 6D A6 45 9C 0F 3B BE F1 D0 C5 D1 D9 0C --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAZv3qmdOZoew2oYURAvNbAJ9oxdi7jhJ81CDn6pQS1udTf7kfjQCfbhlg taQApnSQ5j9PSGrQymgXbF0= =HiG6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO-- --------------------------------------- Received: (at 240665-done) by bugs.debian.org; 5 Feb 2005 02:58:39 +0000 >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Feb 04 18:58:39 2005 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from host-12-107-230-171.dtccom.net (glaurung.internal.golden-gryphon.com) [12.107.230.171] by spohr.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 1 (Debian)) id 1CxG9e-0002p7-01; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 18:58:39 -0800 Received: from glaurung.internal.golden-gryphon.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by glaurung.internal.golden-gryphon.com (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-4) with ESMTP id j152n8q0006440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:49:21 -0600 Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by glaurung.internal.golden-gryphon.com (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j152mj4o006292; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:48:45 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: glaurung.internal.golden-gryphon.com: srivasta set sender to srivasta(va, manoj)@debian.org using -f From: Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED] (va, manoj)> To: Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PROPOSAL] require depending on split-off packages Organization: The Debian Project User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) (i686-pc-linux-gnu) X-URL: http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ Mail-Copies-To: nobody X-Face: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/;Y^gTjR\T^"B'fbeuVGiyKrvbfKJl!^e|e:iu(kJ6c|QYB57LP*|t &YlP~HF/=h:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:6Cj0kd#4]>*D,|0djf'CVlXkI,>aV4\}?d_KEqsN{Nnt7 78"OsbQ["56/!nisvyB/uA5Q.{)gm6?q.j71ww.>b9b]-sG8zNt%KkIa>xWg&1VcjZk[hBQ>]j~`Wq Xl,y1a!(>6`UM{~'X[Y_,Bv+}=L\SS*mA8=s;!=O`ja|@PEzb&i0}Qp,`Z\:6:OmRi* X-Hashcash: 1:25:050205:[EMAIL PROTECTED]::70JsPh2GNfxRpwDj:000000000000000000000000000000000000000000gcVI X-Hashcash: 1:25:050205:[EMAIL PROTECTED]::VpYAI3+HhYKAjNT6:0000000000000000000000000000000001qzs6 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 20:48:45 -0600 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-CRM114-Score: -82.4651 X-CRM114-Status: Good ( pR: -82.4651 ) X-Spam-Value: -18.9248388888889 X-SA-Rep: -18.9248388888889 ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00,HASHCASH_25 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang version 2.48 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) on 127.0.0.1 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on spohr.debian.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.0 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=no version=2.60-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 X-Spam-Level: Hi, Yes, there are cases where depending on a split off package is a good idea. In other cases, it defeats the whole point of splitting the package off. The decision needs to be made on a case by case basis, and the maintainer who decided to split the packages off is probably the best judge of the situation, rather than a hard coded directive in the technical policy. While it may be a good thing to remind people that preserving functionality on a dist-upgrade is desirable, we should not need policy to tell us that quality of implementation ought to be a priority, just like we should not need policy to tell us not to create buggy packages. If you feel this is needed, please report a wishlist bug against developers-reference to add pros and cons and the various criteria for deciding whether or not to add a dependency for split of packages. Also, this report never got any seconds, and had a lot of dissent, which, when added to the above, does not bode well for the proposal ;-). I am closing this report. manoj -- Do not underestimate the value of print statements for debugging. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]