Le ven. 21 août 2015 à 9:21, Paul Gevers <elb...@debian.org> a écrit
:
Hi Vincent,
Hey Paul,
[I am merging the e-mails you send yesterday to make the thread easier
again.]
On 20-08-15 18:12, Vincent Blut wrote:
Le jeu. 20 août 2015 à 12:10, Paul Gevers <elb...@debian.org> a
écrit :
Your priority switch from extra to optional may require a ping to
somebody. I am not sure and I would need to search, so please do
that
yourself.
Yes. I’ll have to send a bug report to the ftp.debian.org
pseudo-package
asking for the modification of the section/priority in the
"override-file".
Will do later today… or tomorrow.
Ack.
Bug report sent¹.
Which file do you have in common with ntp? Please re-read ¹.
I guess I’ve been misled by § 7.6.2! The previous section shows
the
usage of the 'replaces:' field for packages providing *files*
already
provided by another package. However, the section 7.6.2 seems to be
for *packages* that /do conflict/; I interpreted that /do conflict/
by "packages providing the same functionality". I even was quite
sure
my interpretation was correct after seeing the usage example about
MTAs.
I didn't check if ntp is also doing the conflicts/replaces/provides
dance on time-deamon. If so I than you don't need to mention ntp
specifically at all¹¹.
It does not. There is still an opened bug report² about adding ntp to
the time-daemon
virtual package, but the discussion has stalled since few years now.
Anyway, depending on your answer, I’ll revert this commit.
Lets not do that until we agree. :)
Ok.
Wouldn't the hwclockfile stuff in /etc not warrant an debian/NEWS
update? Or at the very least some help in the changelog?
I don’t think so. Finally, that change have no impact for the
user.
Previously we had to check (in the postinst script) if the RTC keeps
local time or UTC by parsing /etc/adjtime and/or /etc/default/rcS.
Depending on the result, we set (or no) the "rtconutc" directive in
/etc/chrony.conf. But now chrony is grown enough to check that by
itself. Each time it is started, it will parse the correspondent
value in the /etc/adjtime file.
So, as you can see, the whole point of using the hwclockfile
directive is to have something cleaner than playing the text
processing game for the same result.
Doesn't this actually require a migration path? What if the
/etc/chrony and /etc/adjtime are NOT answering the same?
Well, I’m not sure I’m understanding you here. The chronyd
daemon
will use what /etc/adjtime returns, thanks to the 'hwclockfile
/etc/adjtime' directive.
Oh, you not understanding me makes sense. It was me who didn't
understand what you were doing. I was assuming there now was a new
mechanism, but now you explained it is just a better implementation of
"the same thing". But then again, maybe make that a little clearer in
your changelog for others like me?
Ok, maybe adding something like:
“Basically, this directive makes the detection of the standard (Local
or
UTC time) set in /etc/adjtime — and used by the hardware clock —
clearer
compared to the text processing method we used to use in the post
install
script to complete the same task.”
What do you think?
Can you please explain me how commit 1ce86d3 works (the Breaks of
util-linux).
As the hwclockfile directive can only deal with /etc/adjtime, we
need
to ensure that we migrated from /etc/default/rcS to /etc/adjtime. To
be honest, I’m not sure that break is even needed, because this
migration happened prior to Wheezy.
I haven't looked it up, is util-linux in essential? Otherwise,
shouldn't
you depend on it with the higher than dependency?
Indeed, util-linux is essential hence the fact it is not listed in the
'Depends:' field.
I assume you tested all migrations for admins that already ran
chrony as
a different users as described in the README.Debian. Are the manual
steps even needed? Shouldn't this go into a NEWS file instead of
the
README file?
I tested a lot of use cases, but Jerome Benoit informed me he had an
issue possibly related to this change, but as he uses a custom init
script etc., I will have to check his atypical configuration.
Ack.
After inspecting Jerome’s custom init script, it appreared it was
buggy.
However I’ll have to find a way not to mess with users who set the
default
chronyd user in the init script instead of using the "user" directive in
/etc/chrony/chrony.conf. To be honest I don’t see an easy way of
doing it,
so a first good step will probably be to add a "warning" in a NEWS file.
Line 36 of the README.Debian file ends weird now, you removed a
filename
but not the "and" in front.
Indeed, will fix. You mean line 27 right?
I am talking about "The scripts /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/chrony,
/etc/ppp/ip-down.d/chrony, and read key 1 from /etc/chrony/chrony.keys
and use it as the password to send chronyc commands." In my version
that
is on line 36.
My bad, I was checking the file with "nl" which doesn't count blank
lines by default.
Anyway, thanks for catching it.
Nice to have, could you think of some autopkgtest test²? And why
are the
tests disabled. Unless they fail and can't be fixed, it is really
recommended to run them.
I’m definitely interested in autopkgtest. However I’ll need some
times to dive through its meanders. I don’t known why tests have
originally been disabled, but I guess it’s because they depend on
the
clknetsim tool which is not packaged in Debian. Also, if that tool
isn’t installed on the system, the "test.common" script will try
to
download and build the tool, which is a quite invasive method. Am I
wrong Joachim?
You confirm my ideas here. But as I mentioned in my other mail
(below),
I challenge you to come up with a way to run them which is acceptable
in
Debian's autopkgtest framework.
Challenge accepted, but I’ll have to document myself about
autopkgtest,
especially on the integration of upstream tests.
On 20-08-15 18:36, Vincent Blut wrote:
Le jeu. 20 août 2015 à 13:54, Paul Gevers <elb...@debian.org> a
écrit
Is there a reason why you don't install the examples? (I could
imaging it is because you setup the package in Debian anyways, but
please tell).
Most of them can’t be applied as is due to not being Debianized,
or
because preliminary packaging stuff need to be done, etc.
Even if they don't apply straight, unless all they do is already done
by
the package they may be interesting as examples don't you think? (But
maybe then it is good to add a note saying that they don't work out of
the box).
Well, I guess I could provide some of them in /usr/share/chrony and add
a note about them in README.Debian.
By the way, if I want to close these outdated bug reports, what’s
the
canonical way to do it? I guess I can’t do that from d/changelog?
See my other mail. And no, don't close bugs in the changelog if they
are
not closed by the upload.
Sure. Thanks for the info.
Paul
Cheers,
Vincent
¹ https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=796448
² https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=316549
