On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 03:35 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > While insiders are not qualified to comment on how outsiders *feel* about > the process, they are certainly the people to judge whether the *outcome* of > the process is the correct one.
Outcome for their own personal pleasure? No: they're not qualified to judge the outcome either: that's a judgement made in the market by end users. Based on that Debian is reasonably successful .. but way WAY behind Microsoft. Do we really want that?? > Sorry, if you want Debian to make > particular changes to make it easier to contribute, Not really: I would like people who know more than me about the processes to choose the changes so that the outcome I desire is obtained -- an easier way for people less committed to Debian than a DD to contribute. Ubuntu agreed with me, and made it so. It is still quite hard though. (It's easier to become a MOTU than a DD .. but it still requires way too much commitment to the project for someone whose primary commitment is to *developing* software rather than packaging it). > you're much better off > arguing it in terms of the *benefits to the project* To whom? A project isn't a human thing, it cannot gain benefits. I am interested in Debian only in that it benefits the whole human race. It does that -- IMHO -- by making it easier to install and run an Open operating systems and tools.. something I'm all in favour of. But the process itself is still too much of a burden to participate in for those less committed to Debian -- in particular upstream developers. It's probably even worse for end users ;( I can suggest whole heap of things that would improve the situation .. but I can't choose which ones to implement. All I can do is ask .. please do SOMETHING to streamline the process a bit more and to make it a bit easier for more people to get involved. -- John Skaller <skaller at users dot sf dot net> Felix, successor to C++: http://felix.sf.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
