On Sat, 2018-10-27 at 20:51 +0000, Luca Filipozzi wrote: > On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 09:41:43AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 01:02:57PM -0300, Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo > > wrote: > > > I meant that we would say that stable is supported by the security > > > team. And instead of saying that Jessie was supported by the LTS > > > team, we would say supported by Freexian. > > > > I would object to that, on the grounds that even though Freexian is > > currently the only company paying people to do LTS support, we should > > not encourage the idea that they have a monopoly on doing that. > > I agree that more than one consultancy should/could provide resources > for LTS. > > I find it inappropriate that that we (Debian) publicize solicitation of > donations to Freexian on debian.org websites [1] and, further, that we > the advertise their 'Extended LTS' commercial offering [2]. > > [1]: https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Funding > [2]: https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Extended
Debian has long maintained references to consultants (like the paid LTS work) and commercial derivatives (like the ELTS) and I don't think that's inherently problematic. But the wording here could certainly be improved to make it clearer that Debian has no special relationship with Freexian. > > For the avoidance of doubt, I am not saying that Freexian is doing a > > bad job, or that they should be replaced, or anything of the sorts. > > Nor am I, but I do not find the lack of distinction between Debian and > Freexian to be appropriate. > > One way is for the funding for Debian LTS to flow through Debian's > Trusted Organizations, complete with the restrictions that might come > with that. Debian can't afford to pay developers in general, and previous proposals to pay specific developers were not well received. So, I don't this happening. Ben. > Another way is for Debian websites to not solicit for donations or to > advertise for their commercial offering (my preference). -- Ben Hutchings If you seem to know what you are doing, you'll be given more to do.
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