I think, and this is just my personal opinion, that the folks at Debian don't believe it was a big enough issue to worry about the concerns of the users.
On 4 December 2015 at 04:20, <humbert.olivie...@free.fr> wrote: > Hi, > > it's been one month now and as far as I'm concerned, I didn't see any > proper communication there. When can we expect something to come ? > > Regards, > Olivier > > > > ----- Mail original ----- > De: "humbert olivier 1" <humbert.olivie...@free.fr> > À: lea...@debian.org > Cc: debian-live@lists.debian.org, "VMDebootstrap List" < > vmdebootstrap-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org> > Envoyé: Mardi 10 Novembre 2015 18:31:53 > Objet: Re: Bug#804315:Namespace issue > > +1, there is definitely a lack of communication there which is most likely > to be considered as disrespectful to a bunch of people involved in > live-build and live-build related (ie : downstream projects using > debian-live). > > When something appearing as a fork (even if it's said differently) is > using a level of reasons of this kind : > "This is not Debian", "this is not pure-debian", "I know I'm going to > upset people but I'm gonna do it anyway" [1],... without the respect due to > human-s involved in a project, then this is definitely is *not* sticking to > the spirit of the debian social contract. > > One can understand that anyone is not super-well-skilled with > communication (this is mostly referring to the recents e-mails from some > people involved in vmdebootstrap mainly but not limited to since everyone > here is human and can act this way by mistake) and there is nothing wrong > with that, we are all *just* human and then are making mistake, but one can > as well understand that after such a miscommunication problem and this huge > bunch of messages on the lists [2], there is some communication that needs > to happen. > > Debian is not only about code. Hope to see that coming back soon in proper > communications *and* decisions. > > So, hands down and, please vmdeboostrap people, communicate in an > "exchanging" fashion. > > Thanks for reading. > > [1] funny sentence : if you *know* by advance, ... well then ... don't do > [2] example : https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2015/11/ > > > > > ----- Mail original ----- > De: "Ed Dixon" <eddixo...@gmail.com> > À: "chals" <ch...@chalsattack.com>, "Michael ." <keltoi...@gmail.com> > Cc: lea...@debian.org, debian-live@lists.debian.org, "VMDebootstrap List" > <vmdebootstrap-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org> > Envoyé: Mardi 10 Novembre 2015 18:10:28 > Objet: Re: Bug#804315:Namespace issue > > > +1 Here Please! > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:27 PM chals < ch...@chalsattack.com > wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:48 AM, Michael . < keltoi...@gmail.com > wrote: > > Good afternoon Neil McGovern. > > > > As a user of Debian and user of Debian Live I am personally contacting > you > > to express my disappointment over the issue named in the title of this > > message. The available evidence appears to indicate behind closed door > > machinations in which only a few people were privy to and those same > people > > made decisions which affect not only Debian users but also Debian > itself. I > > would, personally, appreciate it if you, as the Debian project leader, > would > > look into the events leading up to this decision and opened the > discussion > > up to users of Debian Live but also gave the Debian Live team an > opportunity > > to state their case. > > > > I believe openness is the only way an community can work productively > yet it > > seems Debian is slowly becoming a closed court. If this is the case then > > Debian is a project that has lost its way. I, personally, find this to > be a > > great pity. > > > > Regards. > > Michael. > > +1 Michael. > > -- > chals > www.chalsattack.com > ch...@chalsattack.com > >
