Ben,
Thank you very much for your answer, ideas and hints.
For benefit of others here are some excerpts what I answered on irc:
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<ironm> SynrG, as you wrote a lot I can't simply answer with one
sentence ;)
<ironm> 1. I am missing some "global" lists .. too many lists don't
disturb me at all. I don't need to use them.
But it would be helpful for me to have some specific lists
from other people (in case I would need them in the future)
<ironm> I try to save my time and time of other people with some
additional lists that could be
included in live-builder - it is just an idea to share your own
knowledge and profit yourself from knowledge of others
<ironm> 2. I don't think my lists are the most important and great ;)
if some other people would have similar requirements and ideas
why not include some most useful of them?
<ironm> 3. I would like to keep even such lists like debian-science and
debian-junior
<ironm> 4. due to latex - if you are new to latex you don't have any
idea what packages you need. As I would like to use the live
image also as an install image (for offline installations)
it would be a source for me what packages I need for latex
(e.g.) After few months you will forget some details
<ironm> I wrote above that you can use a live image as a customized install
image
for off-line installations
<ironm> I don't know any other solution than live-builder to create
such customized install images
<ironm> if you make a "standard" install and install after some
additional packages you will need an internet access or just to
play disc-jockey for installing packages what are normally on
the second, third etc disc
<ironm> debian live is just for users with their different requirements
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Best regards
Mark
Ben Armstrong schrieb:
For the benefit of others that missed the earlier irc conversation,
here are some excerpts:
07:19 < SynrG> take it up with the individual maintainers of each of
those things. need a
different subset of latex? there are latex maintainers.
there's no reason such a
list should be useful for live systems but *not*
non-live systems
07:22 < SynrG> similarly with awesome, if an awesome-desktop
metapackage is something people
could agree on and would be generally useful, it should
be in the archive ...
07:23 < SynrG> not languishing in the realm of debian-live where few
people will ever find it
07:24 < SynrG> the lists we have either have broad applicability (our
-desktop lists for
example) to a large userbase and differ from the
standard tasks only in that they
also include stuff *specific to a live image* ...
07:26 < SynrG> or are lists addressing a need tied to a special
working group within debian
which itself has a goal to produce a live image
('debian pure blends' like
debian-science or debian-junior)
07:26 < SynrG> i guess 'studio' falls in this category too
07:28 < SynrG> or in the rare case address some 'appliance' niche
specifically well-suited to
live media (the 'rescue' list is what i'm thinking of)
07:29 < SynrG> the other lists there are very basic building blocks of
the other lists
(standard, standard-x11, minimal, for example)
07:30 < SynrG> so as you can see, the lists are a very narrowly chosen
subset of the entire
universe of possible lists. there is no desire to grow
these lists beyond what we
have there now, and i would argue in some cases we may
even need to *reduce* what
we have there ...
07:31 < SynrG> i am not certain there is any reason to continue to
support the junior lists, for
instance, since that project is orphaned and nobody has
stepped up to take it
further.
07:31 < SynrG> the only reason they've not been removed is (so far)
nobody has had any
complaints. but at the first sign of trouble, i'd drop
them in an instant.
07:34 < SynrG> ironm: can we finally close this issue? the marvellous
thing about debian-live is
that *infinite* variations of lists are possible.
*every* user thinks their own
lists are the greatest and probably wants to share them
with the world. and we
already link to other users of debian-live on the site
so that people can borrow
liberally from each others' lists, and that's not very
hard for users to find
(and keeps the maintenance of said ...
07:34 < SynrG> ... lists where it belongs: with the users who
originated them)
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