On 03/09/24 at 16:56 -0400, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: > On 2024-09-03 14:05, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > On 03/09/24 at 12:31 -0400, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: > >> FYI, I opened an RT ticket asking DSA for a VM to host all of this. > > > > Hi, > > > > I still don't understand the long term strategy here. > > > > UDD provides the same information. I recently did the work so that it is > > properly indexed by search engines, see for example > > https://www.google.com/search?q=archive-liberty-mismatch > > (it will probably take some time to get indexed by other search engines) > > > > What is the point in duplicating efforts? > > > > Lucas > > > I took for granted that when you said DSA wasn't interested in pointing > lintian.debian.org to something else you meant they wanted a replacement for > lintian.debian.org.
After lintian.debian.org went unmaintained (beginning of 2022) and it was clear noone was going to adopt it, I worked on a UDD-backed replacement (in July 2022, see https://lists.debian.org/debian-qa/2022/07/msg00001.html and https://lists.debian.org/debian-qa/2022/07/msg00006.html ). Then I raised the question of the future of lintian.debian.org. After providing stale data for a long time, which confused many people, lintian.debian.org was shutdown in September 2023. Pointing it to UDD was discussed (I think I proposed serving the lintian.d.o vhost on ullmann.debian.org so that the old URLs would work but be backed by UDD). Another option that was mentioned was pointing it to a wiki page that explains where to find the data (I wrote https://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase/ReplacingLintianDebianOrg at some point). But those discussions never reached a conclusion. At this point, I think it's too late: it would have been useful to replace lintian.debian.org, preserving URLs, with something else when it was shut down, but now all the links have have been updated, so I don't see the point anymore. > I really, really like UDD and I use it all the time, but I feel there is > still some value in having a very lightweight, static website that explains > all the tags. > > The current implementation also provides the lintian man page, but could be > extended to have an FAQ. I don't think it would be the role of UDD to host > that kind of info. > > Lintian tags on UDD are much more snappy since you've added the 5000 results > limit (I like the improved loading time, but I'm afraid it removes a > convenient way to access the data, but that's another debate), but for tags > with a lot of results, it's still a pretty large page. > > For example, uses-deprecated-python-stdlib is a 2.31MB page, because of the > large number of results. In comparison, the lintian-ssg result (which also > points to UDD) is 69KB. I don't think load times or page size are a big issue here, but since this has been raised multiple times, I changed the page to not list affected packages by default. > The whole SEO thing isn't my cup of tea, I don't really want to debate that. > SEO whatever :P > > In the end, I don't care about this enough to wage a war or to hurt anyone's > feelings. I want to help solving issues with Lintian; this looked like one. > If you disagree or really want lintian.debian.org to be pointed at UDD, I'll > be happy to assist. I'm fine with whatever DSA decides on this topic. I'm just puzzled with the smell of duplication of efforts here. Also, I don't want to sound like I'm telling someone how to contribute to Debian, but it looks to me like there are more urgent issues to solve around lintian... Lucas
