Hello Andreas,
On Tuesday 20 February 2001 04:45, Andreas Mohr wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 08:12:09PM +0100, Hans Verschoor and Jennie Kohsiek
wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Craig T. Milling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "'Debian-Laptop (E-mail)" <debian-laptop@lists.debian.org>
> > Cc: "Christopher Wolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Craig Milling"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 6:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: Back to Windows??
> >
> > > It is difficult. It seems everything involving setup and installation
> > > is difficult the first time, but the time spent is an investment, not a
> > > loss. The next time you do something it gets easier. I would recommend
> > > you aim low. Set up a dual boot configuration so you can always use
> > > Windows. Then install Linux and work on it a little bit at a time. Get
> > > a command line going, then X, then compile a kernel specific to your
> > > machine. First get your NIC going, then sound card, then ... Yes it
> > > may take awhile, but you will find yourself being slowly won over to
> > > Linux. Then the next computer you get, things will go much faster.
> >
> > Hans:
> > Again, from my objectives of using my computer, these investment are pure
> > losses. I don't want a dual boot system, my computer is a server, so
> > hopefully boots a few times a year. I have no intention to become a
> > kernel hacker, an inventoe or a whizkid, my objective is to have a stable
> > simple server machine on the shortest term possible. And don't forget,
> > companies switching to Linux usually have exactly this reason.
>
> Just one thing:
> There is no such thing as a "stable simple server machine", at least
> not without a *considerable* amount of work, and at least not now
> (I doubt it will ever happen).
If not, what is the Linux mission then ?
>
> We've seen a lot of evidence of people running their
> "stable simple server machine"s lately...
> (can you spell "Ramen" ?)
>
> That said, for all the difficulty and the amount of time spent on
> configuration, I still rather use Linux than Windows, in order to
> preserve my freedom.
That is getting a stale taste by now. What is "freedom" worth if it
forces
you to put so many efforts in tuning and maintaining a system.
>
> > > Don't forget that a computer is just a tool. If you need all your
> > > hardware, use the preinstalled OS. If you also need some of the GNU
> > > tools (tar,awk, ...) install Cygwin, or dual boot.
> >
> > Hans:
> > Right on !
> > Linux should not be a cult, but I think it is by now .....
>
> Not entirely incorrect ;-)
Suprised ?
>
> > > My testimonial: I got my laptop in Jan,1999 (an ARM TS759. ARM is
> > > very linux friendly and even offers preinstalled RedHat. I
> > > specifically asked about Linux before buying). My NIC (a generic
> > > 10baseT) was supported off the bat. It took about 6 mos for the
> > > soundcard driver to make it into the stable kernel. I would still use
> > > Windows regularly. Eventually my windows use was only for games and
> > > all my work was done in Linux. Finally I got bored of the games. The
> > > last time I booted into windows was 6 mos ago, and last week I got rid
> > > of the last fat partition on my disk.
> >
> > Hans:
> > Mine: I got an all Linux compatible hardware set, because I checked all
> > components before. Got Debian 2.2.18pre21 and the result: I can't print
> > on a HP2100 (mentioned to be "perfect" for Linux), I can't tar to a DI-30
> > tapestreamer (proudly declared: "Linux certified" by the manufacturer),
> > I'm doubtful if my network will work and it will probable take another
> > year before I get my ADSL modem working. I will install W2000 in the days
> > to come and if everything works: "bye bye Linux".
>
> Oh, so you used a development kernel and wondered why the hell
> nothing works ?
> Now that's tough ;-)
>
> (that comment is not entirely serious, though)
I would think so. As for the printer, it is gs causing the trouble ( I
tried
CUPSYS: commands "hang" until interrupted by ctrl-c or 'kill' ) and as
for
the streamer, it was said that it would be settled in the first release
after 2.2.16.
>
> > > Craig Milling
> > >
> > > PS. If you made it down this far, thanks for reading my rambling
> > > missive.
> > >
> > > :)
> >
> > Hans:
> > As you can see, I made it.
>
> Me too :)
>
> Andreas Mohr
