* Ben Hutchings [091024 20:15 +0100] > On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 20:38 +0200, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: [...] > > There is no trouble to be saved. We are providing the newest alsa > > driver sources so that they can be build with whatever 2.6 kernel > > you want. > > Well that's nice for people who are using Debian stable, but doesn't > answer why this belongs in Debian testing/unstable.
Well, 2.6.30 provides alsa 1.0.20. The Debian alsa-source package 1.0.21 provides many improvments, optimizations and new drivers. > > This is the intention of the alsa developers as well. So > > FMPOV the Debian kernel maintainers have to cooperate with that idea > > too. > > No, we don't. Upgrading drivers outside the kernel image package is a > really bad idea because: > > 1. Most users never install those driver packages, so they don't get the > benefit Many users want the actual drivers of alsa. The hardware development is much faster than the Debian kernel maintainers can follow up. So you need our support ;-) > 2. The driver package can fall behind the kernel package, but will still > be used in preference to the version in the kernel package alsa-source is most newer than the Debian kernel provides. > 3. Users can report bugs against the kernel and it won't be obvious that > they're using a different version of the driver The Debian Kernel is used to be stable. This is what stable means by its word and not what users want. > 4. Duplicated code makes the security team unhappy There is no code duplicated. The alsa-source is meant to be the same as provided with vanilla. > If there are specific new drivers, bug fixes or device id updates that > should be added to a stable release, please let us know and we can > update the kernel package. Hmm, patch as patch can? This is not the way Linux is alive from. > > > Also, please get rid of linux-sound-base because OSS is dead. > > > > You are a only forward looking hacker. We want to provide this to > > older versions too. > > > > Please have a look at the Debian kernel patches for the reaseon why > > alsa-source package doesn't build against the Debian kernels but to > > the stock ones. Try talking to your co-maintainers ;-) > > We talk on a regular basis and no-one seems to think this is a bug in > the kernel header packages. The alsa-source build system is doing > something strange and wrong. So you must be able to point out why Debians alsa-source builds against stock kernels and not against Debian ones, please. Thanks for cooperation Elimar -- It's a good thing we don't get all the government we pay for.
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