On Monday 28 May 2007 16:19, Sven Luther wrote: Hi ! I'm not involved in your job at all, but I am a member of debian-kernel list because I like to read about : "What is new in this area ?" What I can see here is only personal issues unfortunately. I am telling You it is not worth it... People you are professionals !!! you should work and think how I should solve this problem or how I should solve out that one... . Listen, I know something about C and C++ programming and I have to much free time but even with this nobody probably will not invite me to the team like You have created, so I feel myself very pour reading about things like that...
Regards Pawel Krzywicki > On Mon, May 28, 2007 at 01:03:29PM +0200, Joey Schulze wrote: > > Sven Luther wrote: > > > > After some more pressure on IRC, your commit access has been > > > > restored. > > > > > > It is not enough, i want the suspension revoked, since it was a stupid > > > decision, which has achieved nothing except worsen the situation, and > > > was taken contrary to the DAMs procedure, and in a shady and mysterious > > > way. > > > > Oh come on Sven! This thread was about the accidential removal of your > > kernel team commit access. It has been restored since them. The problem > > is fixed. > > The wider problem has been there since marsch last year or so, and it > was never fixed. > > > Tell you what, if you continue trolling and ranting here, sooner or later > > your commit access will be removed *on purpose* with no way for you to > > get it back. This is not a threat but a warning. > > Yeah, right, is it so difficult to solve this as it should have been ? > Do you really believe there is any valid justification to having me > suspended for a year despite the 70:7 strong opposition of the DDs who > where asked to express themselves ? What did it gain, and what was the > reason that made the DAMs decide this way ? Appart that the expulsers > provided more hatefull and agressive quotes than the those opposing the > expulsion, and the DAMs chose to put them in value. > > Do you believe it was correct for the expulsers to ask for my expulsion > on the day after i proposed my DPL candidacy, while i had not posted a > single post on the debian lists for over a month ? And that the DAMs > chose to hide this for whatevr obscure reason ? > > > We know that you're not happy with the situation, but continueing to > > bring it up will not solve it either. > > > > Please don't reply and work on important things instead. > > Yeah, right, which is what i have been trying to do since over a year, > first i worked, and provided over 30 or so patches to d-i despite the > d-i access removal, just to get bashed in half the report by a clueless > frans who jumped on every little excuse to explode, and finally made > some under-hand manipulation with the ftp-masters to remove my upload > right of the .udebs. This is what i did when i wrote the wiki page : > > > http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FransPopAndOthersVs%2eSvenLutherIssu >e > > and got FUCK YOU and "the biggest load of self-satisfied and > self-centered crap I've ever seen" from frans, and abuse from geert and > holger (which they removed in shame later on), and blackmail of joeyh in > return. > > This is what i did in february, organizing hardware for the debian > booth, passing time to prepare the ps3 debian install, on the ps3 that > geert uutyeroven had arranged, and geert stappers or holger found the > occasion to bash me when i once posted to the list by mistake while > searching for a TV set. > > I did this while those hateful expulsers secretely where scheming to > restart the expulsion procedure, while on saturday evening the DAMs had > sent me a mail which got eaten by the debian.org mail greylisting or > whatever, and while i spoke to James Troup on sunday afternoon, after > having hold a discussion about the future possibilities of the kernel > developments, of which nobody from the d-i team assisted except holger, > who was forced to film, and frans passed by me without returning my > greeting afterward. > > I did this while the expulsion process was underway and posted only few > select mails, and even was mostly silent for the week or two that > followed the end of the support mail period, waiting for the DAMs to > decide in frustration and trauma, while Frans started agressing me on > the lists again. > > I was doing this when i discovered this latest case. > > So, for me, now, in debian, the most important thing, is that this > continuous agression are stopped, that each party in this is blamed > accordying to their responsabilities, in a fair and equitable way, and > that the one-sided punishment are lifted, and that we are all allowed to > work on the parts of debian that we like and code all happily forever > after. > > Can you tell me a single reason why this should not happen ? Can you > tell me a single reason that justifies the DAMs decision to act as they > did, and which can be named without shame (i know that one reason of the > decision is the fact that the other party threatened to stop all d-i > related work if they didn't get their way, just as Joey Hess has written > on the wiki and that this would have caused a problem so near the etch > release, i also know that Joerg Jaspert (and others) heavily disliked > Anthony Towns, and thus it could justify the manipulation of the dates > of the expulsers mail, to make it appear as if this was Anthony's > action, but these are hardly noble reasons we can approve of, don't we) ? > > Joey, if you see this kind of attitude in real life, while you really > stand by, and counsel the victim to support everything and be silent, > especially as you being a pillar of the community, can act to change it ? > > This is not some unnamed oppression by a state or power we have no > access too, this is unfairness, as Wouter so aptly names it, done by > Debian, and as thus approved by the tacit approval of every DD, > including yourself. > > So, what will be done to solve this issue, or should it be left open > like a bleeding wound to fester and worsen so much longer ? Isn't it > time to solve this in a fair and human way, like it should have been > done last year ? And no, you cannot blame Anthony Towns for all the evil > this time around. > > Saddened, > > Sven Luther -- Etch Debian User: Pawel"at"Wartan"dot"org kadu:3735326 Registered Linux User : 406139 |PLUG :1966491030 GnuPG | pub 1024D/2AAB159B Home Page: http://www.wartan.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
