On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 09:23:43AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Aug 18, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I don't think the project need anymore such vulgarities, please try to stay > I do not think the project needs anymore people with no concern for the > needs of our users either.
There you are again putting words in my mouth i never said. Independently of what you think or say, stay polite about it, especially to outsiders like larry. Also, the social contract says clearly that : 1) we care about our users *AND* free software. 2) we have created the non-free section to put non-free software in it that may be needed for our users. What else do you want ? > > polite, reread the social contract, and abide by what you agreed to when you > > joined debian. > When I joined Debian we cared about free software. Not free firmwares. and in what world do you live where you could even start to imagine that the firmwares are not software ? They clearly are not hardware, since you cannot directly touch them. Also, i think all of you are taking the wrong discourse, and there is no way you can be right. You should instead try the following discourse : 1) The firmware in question (those that are not plain register dumps) are indeed non-free, since they are clearly software, often assembly software, compiled with some assembler tool, and we lack sources for them (but someone has said source, or at least had it at some time point. 2) But we argue that we should still distribute it in main, for reason such and such. Among those reason, there are a few which come to my mind out of hand : 1) We consider firmware as being part of the hardware, not really the software. 2) If we consider a hardware piece which needs an uploadable firmware, even if the firmware in question is non-free, it is still globally more free than an equivalent piece of hardware where all is hardcoded in silicon. And so on, it is always better to be honest and true to oneself, than to try to argue obvious wrong stuff, like you have been doing, and furthermore, seeing that there is no way you can honestly defend your point, and you know that inside yourself, so you ressort to vulgarities and barkings to get your point accross. Please meditate on this one, and then come back to this discussion with an open and honest mind, and it will be much more fruitful. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
