On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 04:28:52PM -0500, Noah Meyerhans wrote: > On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 09:53:27PM +0100, Chris Hofstaedtler wrote: > > > > > In theory, if we don't want to explicitly install the package in d-i, > > > > > another possibility might be to bump it to Priority: standard and let > > > > > tasksel install it. I'm not sure what the tradeoffs might be that > > > > > would > > > > > drive the decision one way or another. > > [..] > > > > Regarding tasksel vs. Priority, the latter has a potential for a much > > > > wider impact: lots of Debian system are installed without d-i and/or > > > > tasksel, and most if not all would get the package via Priority. (Think > > > > of all the tools building Debian images, chroots, containers, etc., on > > > > top of debootstrap/mmdebstrap/etc.) > > > > > > I'm not sure it's the case that most of those other systems install > > > Priority: standard. Debootstrap certainly doesn't by itself, and I > > > don't think the debuerreotype tool for building OCI images does either. > > > In any case, your point still stands. I'll re-assign this to general > > > for now, and we can discuss the options in a broader context. > > > > We have a mechanism for installing iputils-ping into "most" systems, why > > not use the same mechanism to install linux-sysctl-defaults? > > > > Systems that want iputils-ping likely also want > > linux-sysctl-defaults. > > Both iputils-ping and systemd declare Recommends on > linux-sysctl-defaults. The expectation is very much that it's installed > everywhere by default. The only reason it isn't today is that those > packages are installed by deboostrap, which doesn't install Recommends. > > I believe that it's important for linux-sysctl-defaults to be part of > the default installation except in unusual cases. In addition to the > "make ping work" sysctl, it sets a number of other important sysctls > that should be set by default (e.g. net.core.default_qdisc, > fs.protected_symlinks, net.ipv4.conf.default.rp_filter and others).
Agreed. [..] > There are at least a couple of ways we can accomplish this: [..] > * Raise its priority to 'important', in which case debootstrap will > install it > > And there are probably more. For d-devel, I'll state that I'm in favor of raising the priority of linux-sysctl-defaults to important. Chris
