Aurélien COUDERC - 23.05.24, 11:50:08 CEST: > Le 23 mai 2024 10:09:29 GMT+02:00, Andrey Rakhmatullin <w...@debian.org> > a écrit : > >On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 09:44:10AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > >> The new apt 2.9 and later makes it really obvious, so maybe warnings > >> like this are no longer needed? > > > >It was always obvious *shrug* > > Must depend on your kind of eyes :-), I do find the new feedback of > packages to be removed *much* more obvious.
Well, if you looked for it and I always recommend people I trained with Linux to look out for it, then sure it was obvious. But before with a long output it was needed to scroll up. And given feedback here on the list and elsewhere I came to the conclusion that not everyone did. It was not that we had been there on this list: It has been a while, but I still remember the "I messed up my system, please help!" kind of o posts. I did not count how often I said to participants of my Linux courses: Read that error message. Read it aloud if need be! And it was always nice to watch the conclusion appear in their face as they recognized: yes, the error message told exactly what was going on and they just did not read it or not *all* of it. Granted: Not all of the time it does. There are bad cryptic error messages, still. Now with new apt it is really in the face even for those who skipped scrolling up, probably even despite better recommendations. > And BTW it's in apt version 2.9.3 onwards if I remember correctly. Older > versions didn't have that. Thanks for the correction. I also appreciate the faster initialization of apt. It is still not quite as fast as the apk package manager in Alpine Linux and derivatives and it may never be, but it at least initializes quite a bit faster than before and I have the impression even installation of packages might be a bit faster than before, but I am not sure on the latter. Difficult to say from subjective impression. Really well done by apt developers. Kudos to them! Best, -- Martin
