On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 06:32 +1000, Matej Cepl wrote: > David Pastern wrote: > > Debian seems to be > > more and more a distro for developers, than the users, and this isn't > > good. > > You know what? I cannot care less if my KDE is running on XFree86 or on > X.org. I am user and for me what is important is that I have KMail, LyX, > Konqueror, and for example Grass, R, or GTams (check you Libranet > distribution for that -- is it there? -- for me it is crucial tool for my > work). Just on the contrary -- the fact that Debian doesn't bother with > following the latest fashion and stays with really stable XFree86 is a sign > that it is the user distribution not for developers who are typically more > interested in how things work, not that they do.
I'd say a great deal many more people would attest to xorg being just as stable as xfree86. As to Gtams, no it isn't, but i've never heard of it, and no doubt wouldn't give a rats ass for it, and more than likely a very small percentage of people would use it i'd hazard a very good guess to. And it doesn't appear to be in Debian proper either (at least under that package name) - so it's most probably housed on an external non Debian repository. I could most probably find it and add it rather quickly if I really needed it. > > Proud Libranet GNU/Linux user > > Libranet The TOP Libranet distribution > > http://www.libranet.com/ > > Download your free trial of Libranet 2.8.1 today! > > If you are so proud Libranet user, then why you are bitching in Debian list? > No one in the world forces you to use (or like) Debian, if you don't like > it, if you think that it is just for developers, go and enjoy your > Libranet. 1. Because I subscribed to them some time ago when I was using woody. 2. I realise that. 3. I do. I've been more productive with Libranet than I ever was with Debian. It's plain and clear that we have a few 'lackeys' that just love to suck up to Debian developers, must make you all feel good. In the end, the average user doesn't really give a shit about the developers, and doesn't care about how many bugs there are in a release - they just want a system. If it's buggy, they'll put up with it, look at Microsoft products. Furthermore - no software project is going to be perfect and totally bug free. Software is designed by imperfect beings. Debian is pedantic about bugs, and sometimes, you can be overly pedantic to your detriment. Someone mentioned that it takes a long time to get Debian working for a release because of all the arches it supports. Why are we wasting time on supporting archaic, old and dying arches? When 95% of the Debian users use i386 based architecture, why should they wait extrordinarily periods of time, so the Debian developers can get it working on all the arches? Surely, the betterment of the 95% (ie the majority) is of more import than those small percentage of people using these dying architecture? Oh, and I paid for my copy of Libranet, did you pay for your copy of Debian? I bet not, I bet you downloaded your free version off the net and didn't give one thought of a monetary donation to Debian (afaik Libranet donates a portion of its profits to Debian). So, in effect, i'm partly paying towards the development of Debian, and as far as i'm concerned it makes me a part share holder and I have 100% rights to voice my concerns. If others don't like it, because it shatters their nice little glass houses, tough shit. Dave > Matěj > > -- > Matej Cepl, http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej > GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC > 138 Highland Ave. #10, Somerville, Ma 02143, (617) 623-1488 > > Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. > -- Albert Einstein > -- I heard that the Aussie prime minister Jonny 'boy' Howard was so far up George W.Bush's ass that he could see the feet of Tony Blair...
