Hi... I've been running the testing tree for a year now. KDE 3.1 was working great. I've followed the troubles in Sid with 3.2 so I purposely avoiding touching it. Last week, I saw 3.2 moved in testing so I figured maybe it was safe. Guess not. Something broke KDE and I not sure what the cause is, how to fix it and which package to file a bug report against. I hope someone here can help out.
I'm using KDM as the login manager. I can start up Gnome with no problems. If I try KDE, it gets as far as loading the panel. The splash screen goes away and nothing more happens. I'm left with 3.2's default background. X has not crashed. I still have a cursor and can move it about. CTRL-ALT-Backspace will kill the X server dropping me back into KDM. The machine load is normal. I tried removing my ~/.kde directory and start from scratch. No change. KDE stops at the same point. The ~/.xsession-errors contain a number of lines complaining about missing or invalid /usr/share/icons/hicolor directories. Seems upgrading to 3.2 remove many of the icons. Many of the directories are there, but many of the icon files are not. I'm not sure if this is connected with the problem, but it is annoying. I'll attached an edited (to spare the list) copy of my .xsession-errors. Can anyone point me in the correct direction to fixing my problem. I'd like to have my KDE back. :-) Thanks! bob -------------- ~/.xession-errors ---------------- xset: bad font path element (#71), possible causes are: Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions Directory missing fonts.dir Incorrect font server address or syntax startkde: Starting up... startkde: Running kpersonalizer... kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 16x16/stock/chart not valid. kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 16x16/stock/code not valid. kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 16x16/stock/data not valid. [snipped many similar lines] kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 32x32/stock/chart not valid. kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 32x32/stock/code not valid. [snipped many similar lines] kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 36x36/stock/chart not valid. kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 36x36/stock/code not valid. [snipped many similar lines] kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 48x48/stock/chart not valid. kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 48x48/stock/code not valid. [snipped many similar lines] kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 16x16/stock/chart not valid. kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 16x16/stock/code not valid. [snipped many similar lines] kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 48x48/stock/text not valid. QFont::setPointSize: Point size <= 0 (-3) KThemeStyle cache seems corrupt! kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/Crux/ group 20x20/filesystems not valid. kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/Crux/ group 48x48/filesystems not valid. [snipped many similar lines] kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/Crux/ group 24x24/filesystems not valid. kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/Crux/ group 72x72/filesystems not valid. kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/Crux/ group 72x72/emblems not valid. kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/Crux/ group 192x192/filesystems not valid. kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/Crux/ group 36x36/filesystems not valid. kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/Crux/ group 12x12/filesystems not valid. kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/Crux/ group 96x96/filesystems not valid. [snipped many similar lines] kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/Default/ group 24x24/emblems not valid. kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/Default/ group 24x24/stock/chart not valid. kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/Default/ group 24x24/stock/code not valid. [snipped many similar lines] kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/Default/ group 16x16/stock/chart not valid. kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/Default/ group 16x16/stock/code not valid. [snipped many similar lines] kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/Default/ group 12x12/emblems not valid. kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/Default/ group scalable/emblems not valid. kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/gnome/ group 24x24/stock/chart not valid. kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/gnome/ group 24x24/stock/code not valid. [snipped many(!) similar lines] QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used kbuildsycoca running... Reusing existing ksycoca QFont::setPointSize: Point size <= 0 (-3) ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 2370, errno = 0 QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 16x16/stock/chart not valid. kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 16x16/stock/code not valid. [snipped many(!) similar lines--you get the idea] kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 48x48/stock/text not valid. ksplash: WARNING: KGenericFactory: instance requested but no instance name passed to the constructor! kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 16x16/stock/chart not valid. [snip] kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 48x48/stock/text not valid. QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used kbuildsycoca running... Reusing existing ksycoca Running script 'kicker-3.1-properSizeSetting.pl' Script: Writing entries to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updatexG923b.tmp Script: Filtered entries written to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_update5JdJnb.tmp Write ViewMenuBar -> true Remove Key 'General'/'ViewToolBar' Running script 'kfmclient_3_2_update.sh' Script: Writing entries to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updateNXpqob.tmp Script: Filtered entries written to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updatecUIAib.tmp Running script 'move_session_config.sh' Script: Writing entries to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updaten3WThb.tmp Script: Filtered entries written to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updateikaCUa.tmp Running script 'schemaStrip.pl' Script: Writing entries to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updatewSvkQb.tmp Script: Filtered entries written to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updateXDOa8a.tmp Running script 'pluginlibFix.pl' Script: Writing entries to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updateAotqEa.tmp Script: Filtered entries written to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updatedoTqda.tmp Write Name_1 -> <empty> Write Name_2 -> <empty> Write Name_3 -> <empty> Write Name_4 -> <empty> Write Number -> 4 Write CommandActiveTitlebar2 -> Lower Write CommandActiveTitlebar3 -> Operations menu Write PluginLib -> kwin3_keramik Write AltTabStyle -> KDE Write AnimateMinimize -> true Write AnimateShade -> true Write FocusPolicy -> ClickToFocus Write MoveMode -> Opaque Write MoveResizeMaximizedWindows -> true Write ResizeMode -> Opaque Write ShadeHover -> true Write TitlebarDoubleClickCommand -> Shade Running script 'kwin_focus1.sh' Script: Writing entries to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updateUjeNPb.tmp Script: Filtered entries written to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updateBYSLAa.tmp Write AltTabStyle -> KDE Write AnimateMinimize -> true Write AnimateShade -> true Write FocusPolicy -> ClickToFocus Write IgnoreFocusStealingClasses -> kded,kio_uiserver,kget Write MoveMode -> Opaque Write MoveResizeMaximizedWindows -> true Write ResizeMode -> Opaque Write ShadeHover -> true Write TitlebarDoubleClickCommand -> Shade Running script 'convertShortcuts.pl' Script: Writing entries to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updateRfq0nc.tmp Script: Filtered entries written to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updateirALWa.tmp Running script 'klipper-1-2.pl' Script: Writing entries to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updateoCp6ca.tmp Script: Filtered entries written to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_update66Caub.tmp Running script 'klipper-kde31.sh' Script: Writing entries to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_update6S0eJb.tmp Script: Filtered entries written to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updatesaccVa.tmp Write AutoStart -> true Running script 'khotkeys_update' With arguments: --id konqueror_gestures_kde321 Script: Writing entries to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updatePu1xza.tmp kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 16x16/stock/chart not valid. kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 16x16/stock/code not valid. [still more snippage] kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 48x48/stock/text not valid. Script: Filtered entries written to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updateh57Cea.tmp Running script 'useragent.pl' Script: Writing entries to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updater3Kj1b.tmp Script: Filtered entries written to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updateZz2kda.tmp Running script 'proxytype.pl' Script: Writing entries to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_update9kiRza.tmp Script: Filtered entries written to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_update1cF2ua.tmp Running script 'move_favicons.sh' Script: Writing entries to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updateyCquza.tmp Script: Filtered entries written to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updateBRPICa.tmp Write presentation -> 1 Write presentation -> 1 Removing group iconify (FORCED) Removing group deiconify (FORCED) Running script 'kwin3_plugin.pl' Script: Writing entries to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updateDyyuqb.tmp Script: Filtered entries written to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updatePXlIya.tmp Write Name_1 -> <empty> Write Name_2 -> <empty> Write Name_3 -> <empty> Write Name_4 -> <empty> Write Number -> 4 Write CommandActiveTitlebar2 -> Lower Write CommandActiveTitlebar3 -> Operations menu Write PluginLib -> kwin3_keramik Write AltTabStyle -> KDE Write AnimateMinimize -> true Write AnimateShade -> true Write FocusPolicy -> ClickToFocus Write IgnoreFocusStealingClasses -> kded,kio_uiserver,kget Write MoveMode -> Opaque Write MoveResizeMaximizedWindows -> true Write ResizeMode -> Opaque Write ShadeHover -> true Write TitlebarDoubleClickCommand -> Shade Running script 'upgrade-transport.pl' Script: Writing entries to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updatexk6kva.tmp Script: Filtered entries written to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updatevY50Oa.tmp Running script 'kmail-pgpidentity.pl' Script: Writing entries to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updateg4TNZa.tmp Script: Filtered entries written to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updateCL9xsa.tmp Running script 'upgrade-signature.pl' Script: Writing entries to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updateZznWlc.tmp Script: Filtered entries written to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_update3mcbca.tmp Running script 'kmail-upd-identities.pl' Script: Writing entries to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updateq2qLJa.tmp Script: Filtered entries written to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updateRg3JYa.tmp Running script 'kmail-3.1-use-UOID-for-identities.pl' Script: Writing entries to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updatezKpFgb.tmp Use of uninitialized value in hash element at /usr/share/apps/kconf_update/kmail-3.1-use-UOID-for-identities.pl line 45. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/apps/kconf_update/kmail-3.1-use-UOID-for-identities.pl line 45. Use of uninitialized value in hash element at /usr/share/apps/kconf_update/kmail-3.1-use-UOID-for-identities.pl line 49. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/apps/kconf_update/kmail-3.1-use-UOID-for-identities.pl line 49. Script: Filtered entries written to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updateWwAq3b.tmp Write previous-identity -> <empty> Write Default Identity -> <empty> Running script 'kmail-3.1-update-new-mail-notification-settings.pl' Script: Writing entries to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updateZ3Frab.tmp Script: Filtered entries written to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updateDbXtnb.tmp Running script 'kmail-3.1.4-dont-use-UOID-0-for-any-identity.pl' Script: Writing entries to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updateApczsc.tmp Script: Filtered entries written to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updateIMpOka.tmp Running script 'move_repositories.pl' Script: Writing entries to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updateKtfS9b.tmp Script: Filtered entries written to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updatec6fL9a.tmp Running script 'change_colors.pl' Script: Writing entries to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updateiGlKfb.tmp Script: Filtered entries written to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updateupf0ca.tmp Running script 'khotkeys_update' With arguments: --id kde32b1 Script: Writing entries to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_update8qzqLa.tmp kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 16x16/stock/chart not valid. [still more snippage] kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 48x48/stock/text not valid. Script: Filtered entries written to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updateoLySCb.tmp Running script 'move_kio_help_cache.sh' Script: Writing entries to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_updateOmwHjb.tmp mv: cannot stat `/home/reb/.kde/share/apps/kio_help/cache': No such file or directory rmdir: `/home/reb/.kde/share/apps/kio_help': No such file or directory Script: Filtered entries written to /tmp/kde-reb/kconf_update4zFXQb.tmp Write presentation -> 1 Write presentation -> 1 Removing group sticky (FORCED) Removing group unsticky (FORCED) File kcalcrc, id kcalcrc.upd:KDE_3_2_0 File kcookiejarrc, id kcookiescfg.upd:kde2.2/b1 File kcookiejarrc, id kcookiescfg.upd:kde3.1/cvs File kickerrc, id kickerrc.upd:kde_3_1_sizeChanges File kdeprintrc, id kdeprintrc.upd:kde-3.1-toolbar File konquerorrc, id kfmclient_3_2.upd:kfmclient_3_2 File kuriikwsfilterrc, id kuriikwsfilter.upd:post-kde3.1/cvs File ksmserverrc, id ksmserver.upd:kde3 File konsolerc, id konsole.upd:kde2.2/r1 File konsolerc, id konsole.upd:kde3.0/r1 File kwinrc, id kwin.upd:kde3.0r1 File kdeglobals, id kwin.upd:kde3.2Xinerama File kdeveloprc, id kdevelop2.upd:kde2.2 File kwinrc, id kwin_focus1.upd:kwin_focus1 File kdeglobals, id kaccel.upd:kde3.1/r3 File klipperrc, id klipperrc.upd:25082001 File klipperrc, id klipperrc.upd:kde3.1 File khotkeys_update, id konqueror_gestures_kde321_update.upd:kde321 File kio_httprc, id kioslave.upd:kde2.2/r1 File kioslaverc, id kioslave.upd:kde2.2/r1 File kio_httprc, id kioslave.upd:kde2.2/r2 File kioslaverc, id kioslave.upd:kde2.2/r3 File kdeglobals, id klippershortcuts.upd:04112002 File kdeglobals, id kded.upd:kde3.0 File dummy, id favicons.upd:kde3_2 File kwin.eventsrc, id kwiniconify.upd:iconifyupd3.1 File kwinrc, id kwin3_plugin.upd:kde3.2 File kmailrc, id kmail.upd:1 File kmailrc, id kmail.upd:4 File kmailrc, id kmail.upd:5 File kpgprc, id kmail.upd:5 File kmailrc, id kmail.upd:6 File kmailrc, id kmail.upd:7 File kmailrc, id kmail.upd:8 File kmailrc, id kmail.upd:9 File kmailrc, id kmail.upd:3.1-update-identities File kmailrc, id kmail.upd:3.1-use-identity-uoids File kmail.eventsrc, id kmail.upd:3.1-new-mail-notification File kmailrc, id kmail.upd:3.1.4-dont-use-UOID-0-for-any-identity File cvsservicerc, id cervisia.upd:kde3.2/20021228 File cvsservicerc, id cervisia.upd:kde3.2/20021229 File cervisiapartrc, id cervisia.upd:kde3.2/20030116 File cervisiarc, id cervisia.upd:kde3.2/20030116 File cervisiarc, id cervisia.upd:kde3.2/20030117 File cervisiapartrc, id cervisia.upd:kde3.2/20030118 File cervisiapartrc, id cervisia.upd:kde3.2/20030118 File cervisiapartrc, id cervisia.upd:kde3.2/20030205 File cervisiapartrc, id cervisia.upd:kde3.2/20030210 File cervisiapartrc, id cervisia.upd:kde3.2/20030211 File cervisiapartrc, id cervisia.upd:kde3.2/20030212 File cervisiapartrc, id cervisia.upd:kde3.2/20030216 File cervisiapartrc, id cervisia.upd:kde3.2/20030725 File cervisiapartrc, id cervisia.upd:kde3.2/20030730 File cervisiapartrc, id cervisia.upd:kde3.2/20030829 File cervisiapartrc, id cervisia.upd:kde3.2/20031014 File kcmdisplayrc, id kcmdisplayrc.upd:kde3 File kdeglobals, id socks.upd:kde3.0/r1 File khotkeys_update, id khotkeys_32b1_update.upd:kde32b1 File dummy, id kio_help.upd:kde3_2 File kwin.eventsrc, id kwinsticky.upd:stickyupd3.1 kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 16x16/stock/chart not valid. [snip...] kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 48x48/stock/text not valid. ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:494:(snd_pcm_hw_start) SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_START failed: Broken pipe ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:494:(snd_pcm_hw_start) SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_START failed: Broken pipe QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:494:(snd_pcm_hw_start) SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_START failed: Broken pipe There are already artsd objects registered, looking if they are active... ... cleaned kdecore (KLibLoader): WARNING: KLibrary: /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4: undefined symbol: NP_GetValue nspluginscan: WARNING: Plugin doesn't implement NP_GetValue 5 unused mcop global references. QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used kbuildsycoca running... Reusing existing ksycoca kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 16x16/stock/chart not valid. [<sigh> snip...] kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 48x48/stock/text not valid. kmixctrl: ERROR: kmix: Mixer cannot be found. Please check that the soundcard is installed and that the soundcard driver is loaded. kmixctrl: kmixctrl: ERROR: kmix: Mixer cannot be found. Please check that the soundcard is installed and that the soundcard driver is loaded. kmixctrl: kmixctrl: ERROR: kmix: Mixer cannot be found. Please check that the soundcard is installed and that the soundcard driver is loaded. kmixctrl: kmixctrl: ERROR: kmix: Mixer cannot be found. Please check that the soundcard is installed and that the soundcard driver is loaded. kmixctrl: kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 16x16/stock/chart not valid. [...snip...] kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 48x48/stock/text not valid. ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:494:(snd_pcm_hw_start) SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_START failed: Broken pipe wave lookup: want=440.000000 got=440.000000 length=182592 filter: fc=0.816327 fr=1.088435 st=1.000000 is=65536 kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 16x16/stock/chart not valid. [...snip...] kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 48x48/stock/text not valid. wave lookup: want=440.000000 got=440.000000 length=2375 filter: fc=0.816327 fr=1.088435 st=1.000000 is=65536 clearing filter state at: 0) -0.00000000000000000000000002488156491804 1) -0.00000000000000000000000000052250301412 2) +0.00000000000000000000000001849354075595 3) +0.00000000000000000000000000833595517672 4) -0.00000000000000000000000001033210374635 5) -0.00000000000000000000000001070857737923 6) +0.00000000000000000000000002536110112554 7) -0.00000000000000000000000001351090149767 kdeinit: Shutting down running client. Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy --------------------------------- It looks like dcopserver is already running. If you are sure that it is not already running, remove /home/reb/.DCOPserver_etain__0 and start dcopserver again. --------------------------------- QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used KDE Daemon (kded) already running. QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used kbuildsycoca running... Reusing existing ksycoca clearing filter state at: 0) +0.00000000000000000000000000002323138573 1) -0.00000000000000000000000000001678080061 2) -0.00000000000000000000000000002468382445 3) +0.00000000000000000000000000000202230815 4) +0.00000000000000000000000000001943776699 5) +0.00000000000000000000000000000682708100 6) -0.00000000000000000000000000001057356249 7) +0.00000000000000000000000000003556987157 kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 16x16/stock/chart not valid. [...snip...] kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 48x48/stock/text not valid. ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Can't setup DCOP communication. kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 16x16/stock/chart not valid. [many more similar lines] kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 48x48/stock/table not valid. kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 48x48/stock/text not valid. [the end] At this point the KDE splash screen had display and I had the default KDE 3.2 background and nothing else. I did a CTRL-ALT-Backspace to kill X. Help? :-/ -- bob billson email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ham: kc2wz /) [EMAIL PROTECTED] beekeeper -8|||} "Tír gan Teanga, Tír gan Anam." Linux geek \)