Hallo Dalibor,
* Dalibor Topic wrote:
>>Anyway: if thats true, that it will kill kaffe in debian, as we could
>>not use it with almost any programm, because in one way or another,
>>they all include apache licensed libs (-> jakarta project).
>Don't agree. ;) Even if this was true, it would be good enough for
>*compiling* all the GPLd java apps. I guess there must be some, judging
>by freshmeat:
>1051 GPLd Java apps. By far the most popular license for Java apps.
Should we have a look, which of them have a exception to run it with
non GPL'ed libs? And how many require features which are not available
GPL'ed (^=sun derived)? -> basicly the package is then not legally
compile/runable...
Just some month ago I got a mail from a guy who ITP a java app based
on SWT (-> CPL'ed). Upstream was GPL'ed and had *no* exeption...
>As Grzegorz said, he isn't even touching *execution*, that's another
>field where we are bound to disagree ;)
And that's why I said 'take the two points to debian-legal'. If both
are 'no-no', almost all apps will either Conflicts: with kaffe (todays
policy, as I'm not sure whether kaffe is /usr/bin/java) or not ask for
kaffe in the findjava call (hopefully the new policy, if <hint>some
more DDs would finaly say 'make it so'</hint>)
>Anyway, we're switching kaffe's class library over to GNU Classpath,
>which is GPL + linking exception, and that should make the people who
>support FSFs interpretation happy, too, as GNU Classpath explicitely
>allows linking to it.
Good. That will be one mess less... :)
>>I hate licenses...
>Don't agree. GPL is quite nice for me, the trouble is that the rest of
>the world sometimes uses something incompatible and then we have to play
>lawyers to decide what's allowed and what not ;)
Actually I'm more a fan of 'do what you want' (including: use it with
nonfree stuff), which GPL lets me not. QTs GPL license is the reason,
why I have a eclipse as gnome app and not with my nice stylish KDE :)
I think eclipse.org has a demo version ready (or had), but the lawers
stoped them, because it would have meant to GPL eclipse which would
mean, that eclipse couldn't be used comercially (-> closed source).
Jan
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