On Tuesday 10 June 2003 18:52, Jan Schulz wrote: > * David Goodenough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I recently decided that I needed to move from a hand installed eclipse to > > a debian installed one. So duly installed it only to discover that I do > > not seem to have the the choice of using the GTK binding. > > In the moment it uses gtk bindings by default and its the only one, > which is compiled.
I notice that this changed along the life of the Debian package, was there a reason (none seems to be in the changelog) or just a personal preference? > > > I do not run Gnome, and have been running the Motif binding (I would love > > a KDE binding but license condition still seem to forbid) without > > problems for a long time. > > Its not a gnome binding but only gtk libs. I will add some stuff in > the readme on the next release with some tips how to get eclipse a > bit faster (using *no* anti alising is a big leap forward :)). Sorry, my mistake. It still feels more like a Gnome app than a KDE one, and more so than the Motif binding does. I get the same problem runing GnuCash or Xpdf or Gimp or any number of Gtk apps that run perfectly well under KDE, they just feel and act slightly different. > > > Any chance of having a Motif build as well? This should probably > > make libswt a virtual package, and have two separate packages > > for libswt-gtk and libswt-motif. > > Yes, I thought about this too. There will be some problems, as > the launcher also uses the same graphic lib, which the swt plugin > uses (for displaying an error message...). So either this is > split into a different package with the same virtual packaging > system or I will go ahead and just replace the launcher with > a script (its anyway mostly done). The launcher is a problem, and actually with a bit of work I have always felt that it could perfectly well be done invoking Java directly but I never got around to it. Maybe the right answer is a combination of script and Java. > > BTW, there is also a port to FOX, which sounds quite a bit faster > than gtk, but is still very alpha software :/ Someone else is trying > to port swt on top of swing... Yes and I tried to start a KDE binding but got defeated by the license. > > > I certainly had no difficulty in building the Motif version, but that was > > a little while ago (2.0 days). > > The problem is not the building (that's mostly one ant and one make > call), but the way how to handle this two different plugins: They > can be installed together and you would have to change the -ws > param, which is passed to the main class. Also the launcher is a > problem as this program gets a default value at build time, so it > might happen, that it will start the gtk ws (BTW: Windows system; > SWT Speech for the underlying toolkit), when only the motiv one > is installed. I'm not sure, how that could be handled in a > automatically manner (something in the post install scripts and > dpkg-reconfigure together with a rc file in /etc?). > > I'm not sure about licens issues with open motive bindings. That is something I had not considered, but I thought it used Lesstif (which I think is properly open) rather than open motif? > > So the problems are: > * How to handle the two different plugins in a autmatically manner > * should both packages be made from the same source (would mean > doubleing the build dependencies and introducing open motif > dependencies). The alternative would be to use the new SWT drops. > * Proposing a new virtual package for libswt-java with will be > provided by libswt-gtk-java and libswt-motif-java (and possible > future ports). I just read that you need to ask debian-devel to > 'get' one. Not sure how difficult that is. I get the impression (but I am no expert) that properly explained this is not a problem. Through this list many virtual packages have been introduced for Java itself, as there are many implementations, and they seemed to get through without great difficulty. > > Any comments? > > Jan David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
