On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 12:29:44AM -0800, Kevin A. Burton wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > <snip> > > > > This is a practice that is unfortunately common in the Java world. > > > > Common does not make it right. > > but it doesn't make it harder to *make* it right.
s/doesn't/does/ ? > > > Can I debian package require a specific version of another package? > > > > > > Specifically if I have a package foo can it require *only* libbar-1.1.3.deb ??? > > > > Certainly. It's what I'm doing for the jboss package. > > And what if foo requires libbar-1.1.3 which is incompatible with the fictional > libbar-1.1.0 that jboss requires? > > How do you install both on the same system... Do you compute the CLASSPATH in a > different manner for each application? Yes that is what you have to do. Libbar-1.1.1 needs to be a package with that name so an upgrade does not introduce conflicts. I think the new proposed java policy adresses this quite good. > > > Due to the WORA nature of Java applications, a lot of projects assume they > > > are the only package management system in existence. For example a lot of > > > the Jakarta projects ship with a whole bunch of .jars which are both > > > incompatible across projects and in their own ./lib. > > > > This is one of the main flaws of java. It assumes it is the only thing > > around, and nothing else exists. > > Agree. Agree too. > > There is no integration whatsoever with anything not java. If you have a > > project, that has non-java elements, you are left all by yourself, when > > integrating them. > > > > Additionally, ears are prime example of java packaging gone wrong. > > Are you saying that .WAR files are also incorrect? Yes they are most probably incorrect. > Just because it isn't the UNIX approach doesn't make it incorrect. > > I have an Open Mind (TM) on the subject so I am listening... Explain why the > Servlet WAR spec is incorrect and how it could be done better. (Specifically > WRT the WEB-INF/lib approach). Wars are not needed if you have deb packages. Why have a packaging system (and a very bad one not allowing symlinks) inside an other packaging system? You can use simple directories instead of the war files. :) > > > > Lots of 'external' jars are not redistributable. You can't even have them > > > > in the source package. > > > > > > This is a separate issue for debian-legal. > > > > It's not a separate issue. We still are not allowed to distribute these jars, > > in any form. > > My point was that if there are *existing* packages which have non-free .jars > this is VERY important to correct. > > > > I seriously hope that we don't have packages with non-free libs. If this > > > happens it would be a big issue :( > > > > It already is an issue. Look for mail.jar and activation.jar. Those are SCSL > > from sun. Bad mojo. > > ouch.. this needs to be corrected ASAP! Yup. I know that some of my packages (read cocoon and cocoon2 distributes non self-compiled jars, just copied from the source tree). This is because I do not have the time to create about 15-20 new debs myself. I should probably file a lot of RFP:s but I have not had the time. :) I hope you do not mind too much. Regards, // Ola > Kevin > > - -- > Kevin A. Burton ( [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) > Location - San Francisco, CA, Cell - 415.595.9965 > Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED], Web - http://relativity.yi.org/ > > To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme > excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting. > - Sun Tzu, 300 B.C. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Get my public key at: http://relativity.yi.org/pgpkey.txt > > iD8DBQE765BmAwM6xb2dfE0RAmrCAJ9Q1vkjCvq4ySkWUhib47rZUkld5QCeNN1D > qm+CDaKcxthg/0b5jEmYmKI= > =FDQa > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- --------------------- Ola Lundqvist --------------------------- / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Björnkärrsgatan 5 A.11 \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED] 584 36 LINKÖPING | | +46 (0)13-17 69 83 +46 (0)70-332 1551 | | http://www.opal.dhs.org UIN/icq: 4912500 | \ gpg/f.p.: 7090 A92B 18FE 7994 0C36 4FE4 18A1 B1CF 0FE5 3DD9 / --------------------------------------------------------------- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
