Dear Russel (and anyone else who is using relays.osirusoft.com), Because you are using the combined RBL relays.osirusoft.com, and since Joe Jared (single operator of relays.osirusoft) has a documented chip on his shoulder against Asia and iAdvantage (upstream, one of the largest bandwidth carriers in HK), you'll be missing email from a lot of Asia.
Might I suggest 3 effective alternatives (there are many others, but these ones I've tested and are good): relays.ordb.org relays.visi.com bl.spamcop.net All of these block spam effectively, and yet all of the above ones clearly list their "listing policies" and "removal policies" on their respective websites, unlike osirusoft that just says "visit nanae" as a solution. Funny thing is... if you do click on the link Joe Jared setup pointing to Google, you'll notice that the number of complaints pales in comparison to those against Rackspace and other large USA hosting and ISPs. The block he has setup blocks about 40-50% of active IP space in HK overall. He wouldn't dare block Rackspace or all that because they are in the USA and are large, and I bet people using his list would drop him like flies if he were to do that (which he should... rackspace is a proven spamhaven, but won't). I have communicated with Joe Jared on this (not using real identification), and while I won't divulge the private communications on a public list, the general jist is "i don't get legit emails from Asia, nor do people that use my list. So I could block all of Asia and no one would care". Those of you that use joe jared's list should be aware of his opinions. SO... if you plan on receiving email from me or Asia, I suggest you use RBLs with clear listing and removal policies and methods (eg. the RBLs I listed above, and others), and not relays.osirusoft.com (OR if you must use osirusoft, then use the pick and choose the individual RBLs under relays.orisusoft.com, otherwise you'll be using a list that combines many other RBLs together, including militant ones and other shoddy ones). Sincerely, Jason ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 11:30 AM Subject: failure notice > Hi. This is the qmail-send program at beta.zentek.net. > I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. > This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 203.36.46.209 does not like recipient. > Remote host said: 554 Service unavailable; [203.194.146.7] blocked using relays.osirusoft.com, reason: IADVANTAGE http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&scoring=d&q=IADVAN TAGE+ Visit nanae for removal > Giving up on 203.36.46.209. > > --- Below this line is a copy of the message. > > Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Received: (qmail 24127 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2002 01:29:56 -0000 > Received: from unknown (HELO zentekgateway) (150.101.192.86) > by 203.194.146.32 with SMTP; 18 Aug 2002 01:29:56 -0000 > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: "Jason Lim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: "Jason Lim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Russell Coker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > "Debian ISP" <debian-isp@lists.debian.org> > References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:41:59 +1000 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 >
