Hi. In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on "05 Apr 2001 00:58:56 -0400", with "Re: slang, boot-floppies, and wide character support", Adam Di Carlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Taketoshi Sano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Akira Yoshiyama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> who made the patch for termwrap, > > has made the customized boot-floppies for potato used on NEC pc9800 > > series. It uses the patched slang and newt libraries in bf-utf and it > > can be used with Japanese encodings (euc-jp) using some tweaking in > > dbootstrap (euc-jp strings requires special treatment in line break, > > so it uses an auxiliary utility to shrink strings correctly). > > Ok, well, that "auxiliary utility" would need to be available. Can I create shrink_string subdirectory in utilities/dbootstrap/ and put this utility as ja.c ? As far as I see, the modification will be needed on Makefile and boxes.c in dbootstrap/ directory. If there aren't any objections, I'll commit the required modification into woody version. > > The package (in source and binary) is distributed from ftp site of > > Debian JP, and I think we can use the hack in it for woody i18n > > boot-floppies. > > I don't know what this package contains.... but let me make myself > clear: > > 1) I will *reject* a forked newt/slang being placed in the > boot-floppies sources > 2) the wide version of newt/slang that we need *must* be uploaded to > Debian main, and it must be done *now* I see. I think that forked version of boot-floppies for nec-pc98 just uses the old newt/slang in bf-utf8 without additional change, so if only we can provide the same version in Debian main, there may be no problem as for i18n boot-floppies and euc-jp version. > To restate, any forked or patched newt/slang or other requirements > *must* be placed in the distribution itself. It is no doubt that this is the biggest problem now. > If no one has the time to package the wide libraries, and any other > auxiliary stuff needed for boot-floppies, I have no problem shipping > woody w/o i18, although I think that would be a shame. Especially > after all the time put into it by folks here and by the translators. And we need them for utf-8 dialog, so if we can't provide them, we will not be able to provide the i18n version of the installer even when the debian-installer can replace the current boot-floppies. I had tried to create them before the potato release. But it was already frozen time for potato, and I couldn't rely on me that I did it correct on devel packages (libnewt-dev and slang1-dev), I have not uploaded them. I've read on this list that David Whedon has already packaged the bf-utf directory itself. Is this already uploaded ? If we provide the utf-8 support in base (for i18n'ed base-config) then we may need the slang and newt libraries with utf-8 support, I think. What is the best way ? Just use utf-8 in i18n boot-floppies (i.e. just in dbootstrap only), and ignore it on the installed Debian system, or use utf-8 in the main/installed Debian system as well as the installer ? > > yosshy said that he wishes to see his patches merged > > into the Debian official boot-floppies, but he does not have enough > > time to do it by himself. > > Well, I certainly don't have the time to do it for him. Sure. Since I wish to have i18n (and Japanese supported) installer for Debian, I'll try to extract the required modification from his work and commit them into our official boot-floppies source tree. > > We can support i18n in root disk of boot-floppies currently, > > but since woody debconf and base-config supports i18n, it > > will be nice if we can support i18n on base system as well. > > > > Can bogl-bterm be used for base system i18n in woody ? > > Are we safe to include it in base tar ball ? > > (Well, this is debootstrap topic, but it is needed for i18n > > goal of Debian installation, and this experience will work > > for debian-installer as well). > > I don't see any problem with this -- what are the risks? I don't know how well tested the bogl-bterm is. Just wonder. And I think the current packages including base-config has messages for Japanese in euc-jp, not in utf-8, so we need some work if we use utf-8 to show the messages with bogl-bterm. When slang/newt dialog is used in base-config (maybe via debconf ?), we also need utf-8 support from slang/newt in the installed (main) Debian system. > > And if we use utf-8 for all messages, then we have to use > > encoding conversion at somewhere since most packages have > > messages not in utf-8 but in euc-jp for japanese. > > I recall there was a reported problem also with config files written > by dbootstrap in i18n mode being writting as utf-8 files and that > messing up the desired configuration.... Well, so there may be softwares which can not handle the config files written in utf-8 encoding. If we use utf-8 as main encoding in Debian, we need to work on them. -- Taketoshi Sano: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
