Hi Andreas, On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 11:57:29PM +0100, Andreas B. Mundt wrote: > Hi Klaus, > > On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 09:44:35PM +0100, Klaus Knopper wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 03:48:12PM +0100, Andreas B. Mundt wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 01:01:57PM +0100, Mike Gabriel wrote: > [...] > > > Candidates were LWAT used in lenny, unmaintained and with dead > > > upstream, GOsa, with upstream activities and support, but not > > > especially targeted for schools, and finally CipUX. As the CipUX > > > people seem to see no chance to integrate their work for reasons they > > > can tell you better, nobody active in the international project worked > > > on the integration of CipUX. (This is a rather critical point, and it > > > seems there are a lot personal feelings and the like involved ...). > > > > Sorry for potentially making this discussion longer than it should be... > > Would you please explain to me, again, what "the CipUX people" have to > > do, or failed to do, in order to get their working packages integrated > > into Skolelinux? I think "the CipUX poeple" really _want_ to have their > > stuff integrated into Skolelinux, but apparently don't know how the > > magic is going to happen. > > I don't know, and I don't want to accuse anybody at all. I even don't > know if anybody failed to do anything. There was this lengthy thread > last year <URL:http://lists.debian.org/debian-edu/2010/10/msg00106.html>, > where you explained your point of view a bit, and for some of your > points I can really imagine what happend, and your points are > absolutely valid. For sure there is an other point of view, and as > usual reality is probably somewhere in between. We are all humans, we > all have our vanities and egos and there's no big boss here to decide > how it's done and everybody follows. We all want to be (little) big > bosses. Some of the problems might be that we have no structure to > make controversial decisions in a transparent way and there are a lot > of unspoken arguments, feelings and the like around ... > > [...]
Sorry if you got the impression that I was bitter about something. I'm not. I was really just asking, because I thought that you had some information that I missed. :-) > > Maybe it's just me, but I fail to see a technical problem on the side of > > "the CipUX people". This has already been discussed, but with no > > apparent result that explains to me why CipUX is out of question (or I > > just missed it?). Btw, I used quotes around "the CipUX people" because I really don't know any except Christian Külker, the main developer, and Jonas Smedegard as packager. I don't think the CipUX users (students, teachers, ...) also qualify as "CipuX people" as well, since most of them won't even know they are using it in some way. I believe you mean the developers. Sorry if I forgot anyone amongst them. > Don't know. Perhaps just try implementing it in SVN until someone > cries out and stops you (or doesn't). That's kind of how I did it with > GOsa, but you might realize, I'm also not very happy with the situation. I believe that the CipUX developers do use a version management system that is publically available, like most free software projects, and probably don't want to duplicate or completely migrate to another platform... Well, we discussed that earlier, too. I don't think using SVN at a specific place is a requirement for integration. > > > So if you ask me, I think as long as I am the only one supporting > > > GOsa, it will go away as soon as there is a working alternative > > > available. > > > > Thanks for sharing your thoughts about this. So, it is probably not a > > good idea for us to either put any effort into GOsa integration of our > > tools, since it is "temporary", right? > > Again I don't know. I am just a little contributer and I will neither > have time nor energy to drive things in the near future. I would > prefer a more flexible system in general [1], as I think that's what > schools need and I think this can be realized with GOsa. If others, > that have much more experience and time to spend on the project, don't > support this approach, I have to live with that. At the moment, there is a certain uncertainty about the future LDAP tool which makes it somewhat difficult to develop extensions connected to LDAP. > So along these lines I suggest to try to be as flexible as possible > with regard to the necessary ldap structure. Or if that's not > possible, don't make a bad compromize which doesn't fit in the end but > invent a sensible structure yourself. We try to not reinvent the wheel, but rather use the existing recommended structures in DebianEdu. > BTW, the expression "the CipUX people" is in no way meant to > be condescending or insulting. Absolutely not. No offense taken. But I do not consider myself part of the "CipUX people", just recycled your expression. :-) Regards -Klaus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110106233049.gb13...@knopper.net
