On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Martin Wuertele <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi dE! > > * dE . <[email protected]> [2010-01-05 14:25]: > >> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Martin Wuertele <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Hi dE! >> > >> > * dE . <[email protected]> [2010-01-05 12:13]: >> > >> >> The developers and administrators will have to understand my point. >> >> >> >> This is the only reason why people refuse to install any Linux OS. I >> >> really don't have an answer to these simple windows users when they >> >> say "what about offline software installation?". Now I cant explain >> >> them technical procedures to it, they'll happily reject it. >> > >> > As "simple" as with windows: get the CD/DVD. >> > >> >> Humm...I really don't know what exactly do you mean...can you please >> elaborate? > > Get the Debian CDs/DVDs and you have everything you need just like you > use your MS Office CDs/DVDs, your AutoCAD CDs,... > >> >> Security and size problems of super deb packages will always be there >> >> with such packages, this is a major disadvantage, but considering >> >> super deb packages will remove this major drawback with Linux...it >> >> think it's worth it. >> > >> > You can build any Package statically linked which pretty much is the >> > same as Windows applications. However this introduces the security >> > nightmare Windows has: 10 installed programs have 10 different versions >> > of libraries statically linked and if a bug is found in the library >> > you're mostly left alone as some vendors will provide an update, some >> > won't and you can not be sure that all 10 applications are either fixed >> > or the version they have statically linked doesn't bear the security >> > bug. >> > >> >> No, this is not I meant by super deb packages...I mean a single >> 'sdebp' package will contain many deb packages which are possible >> dependencies of the main package to be installed. >> >> This is just a small modification to dpkg to support these sdepb >> packages...what it will do on installing this sdebp package is - >> 1) unpack this sdebp package to extract all deb packages contained in >> it in the apt cache folder. >> 2) Run apt with the no-download switch on the meta package which is a >> part of this sdepb package (the meta package can be specified in the >> sdebp package itself). This will simply result in installation of the >> meta package and will require no downloading since all dependencies >> (relative to an OS) are previously present. > > This is not a small change to dpkg and is not really anything desired. > If you want something like that you can script it yourself pulling all > dependencies required to install a certain package, you could start on > the code base of apt-offline for example. dpkg is a backend, there are > several frontends like aptitude, synaptics,... what you look for is a > frontend. >
Humm...so this is more of a modification to the fontend...so I should contact the apt team. >> >> If this system is made to commence, all people who have refused to >> >> install Linux is cause of it's packaging system (IMO, to all people >> >> who have rejected so far under my knowledge) will have no problems >> >> installing it. They don't have problems with root folder, nor the >> >> mount system...they only have problems with this." >> > >> > I doubt's that's a huge number and that their arguments are based on >> > good arguments. It's quite a task to keep a Windows system secure with >> > all the (montly) updates without Internet connection and when you buy >> > new peripherals (e.g. printers, scanners) and you happen to run XP you >> > most likely want to dump the driver shipped with the hardware and get >> > the curent one via Internet. >> > >> >> In a few nations an internet connection is not that popular. With >> windows you can just download the updates, click and install...this is >> an alternative way to automatic updates. >> >> Doing this manually with deb package is impossible...with these sdebp >> packages, you can pack a certain set of updates and just click on it >> to run gdebi to upgrade...this will at least upgrade some packages if >> not all. > > Er, it is just the same as with Windows: in every DSA-Mail you find the > URI to the updated package. Download it just like you do it with the > Windows updates, ship it to the offline-system and install it. I don't > see any difference with regards to updates here. > > Yours Martin > Well, that was just an application. Personally I think distributing updates like that is a bad idea. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [email protected] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [email protected]
