Just to make sure we are all clear here: I have cc'ed the listmaster and I am angry and insulted. On the flip side, I am trying very hard to be calm and collected and (most importantly in my mind) fair. The subject is deliberatly melodramatic.
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 08:47:20PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: [wrote lots of mean, insulting offensive things] For those tuning in late, here is the archive url for my letter to debian-devel, and Craig Sanders` response: http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-devel-9910/msg00009.html http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-devel-9910/msg00018.html In short, a summary (admittedly from my point of view) follows: In a discussion on whether network daemons should do one of the following: a) Simply start up, grabbing any ports it needs (most do this) b) Not start up (a few do this) c) Ask about what ports to grab and whether to start up (some do this) This letter is to make it public that I think Craig has gone too far. He has hurt my feelings and has been very insulting to everyone in debian-devel. And this is not the way to get things done. Craig's opinion is direct: Things should stay the same. If someone installs a package, they are expecting it to run. Everything else is a special case requiring extra work on the part of the user. However, Craig's arguments have become increasingly hostile and insulting, building up to the message mentioned above. Being mean and insulting are not ways to get your point across. I took care in my message above to remove anything offensive towards Craig. Unfortunately Craig didn't do the same. Perhaps Craig didn't mean it that way. Perhaps he did feel persicuited or attacked. Not everyone's message was super polite. Including mine. But even so, I think he went beyond limit. I decided that I should check out some of his messages. Many are usefull, but woe to anyone who doesn't understand him or even worse doesn't understand him *and* disagrees him! Two Examples: http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-devel-9908/msg00044.html http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-devel-9907/msg00857.html Fustratingly, he does bring usefull information to this mailing list and have points that should be heard. Just not with the meanness and rudeness exhibited above. It is my hope that Craig Sanders reads this and thinks about what he has done and why. Till then I am Christian Holtje (aka [EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- Nobody said computers were going to be polite. The Doctor What: A Holtje Production http://docwhat.gerf.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP key) KF6VNC
