Simon Josefsson dijo [Mon, Mar 02, 2026 at 10:17:45AM +0100]:
I do suspect, however, that it is possible to have a conversation where we do *not* lump multiple concerns together.Okay, so what is a better name? Since the initial/primary purpose of the blend is to produce and support installer/live images built without any non-DFSG artifacts, it seems the name should convey something related to this. Relevant keywords include 'open', 'free', 'libre', 'gnu/', 'dfsg', others? Is 'Debian Deblob' okay to you? Gunnar? 'Debian Noblob'? Would 'Debian DFSG' be okay? Or 'Debian DFSG-only'?
I think that, among your offered choices, the first three (open, free, libre) would fall very closely in _my_ book. Saying it is “GNU/Debian” would be wrong, as not all of Debian comes from the GNU project. I think “DFSG-only” could sum it up correctly, but it is a very “user-unfriendly” term. But I like the “deblob” or “noblob” monikers: they are specific (you are “yanking out” the blobs), they are memorable and pronunceable in a single breath, they are meaningful to the people caring for this debate.
The 'deblob' word is coming from the Linux-libre effort, where the deblob.sh script removes non-free stuff in the Linux kernel source code. This is not comparable to how the current Debian Libre Live images are generated, which are built using live-build with a small configuration. But maybe the word could work anyway.
But it is a good descriptive effort / analogy, /methinks.
I am a little cautious about using 'DFSG' because the Debian community could alter the DFSG definition to permit non-free firmware too, and then the term for this blend would be confusing. But if that happens, renaming again would be possible.
Right, that too 🙂
Btw, I find the word 'Pure' in 'Debian Pure Blends' odd - does it convey any meaning that is distinct from 'Debian Blend'? Was/is there ever a notion of a non-Pure Debian Blend? I'm not sure to refer to a blend as Pure Blend or simply Blend, or if there is a difference.
I understand a “Debian Blend” can include bits of software that are not part of Debian already, while a “Debian Pure Blend” is strictly a subset of packages of Debian with a preseeded configuration. But I think Andreas Tille coined the terms, and he should have a better say in this than me (of course, if he is the person that coined the terms).
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