On Sat, Dec 24, 2022 at 12:15 PM M. Zhou <lu...@debian.org> wrote: > On Sat, 2022-12-24 at 11:44 +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > > > > The non-free-firmware [component] has been created, but so far it > > only > > contains the rasbpi-firmware package. > > Please ensure to include the packages for wifi cards, especially > the iwlwifi since I don't use desktop pc. > > One of the most painful ways to install Debian is to realize that > iwlwifi is missing during the netinstall process, while RJ45 cable > is not available. As a result, one may download the package using > cellphone and find a way to transmit that file to the laptop. > If it's iphone then game is sadly over. > > In the past, such frustration had once irritated one of the new > users to whom I have recommended Debian. The user's anger has > finally converted into personal/emotional attacks, blaming > me as a Debian developer being incompetent to make the wifi > card working. As a result, I as a Debian developer, would never > recommend Debian to any new user, nor discussing linux with > any new user since then. > > iwlwifi is the very only reason that forced me to never use the > the default iso again. > > That said, my word only counts as a vote for the wifi card packages. > Just wanted to mention that iwlwifi may hurt people. > > I agree WiFi is needed. I have Realtek and it needs non-free firmware. I also need the binary blobs for AMD Radeon. I use the non-free installer. If not all firmware is going to be included in the installer will there still be a non-free installer image?
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