On 1/19/22 9:49 AM, Bernhard Schmidt wrote:
AFAICT other than systemd-timesyncd being installed by default we don't have a "default" NTP daemon in Debian.
I'm not sure how much more "default" it can be than installed by default. So I'd say we do have a default: systemd-timesyncd.
So we should most probably decide on a "default" and have all of them changed to $newdefault | time-daemon
+1, except that my position is we already have that answer: systemd-timesyncd | time-daemon
As default both ntpsec and chrony are challengers.
For people that want something more than systemd-timesyncd, e.g. to get NTS, I think either are acceptable choices. It seems that the consensus for new installs is towards chrony over ntpsec. But I don't think we as the distro need to push either over systemd-timesyncd. For people who don't care, systemd-timesyncd should be fine.
Do you disagree on that point (that systemd-timesyncd is fine for people who don't care about NTP)? If so, can you elaborate?
And then there is the migration from src:ntp. I think only ntpsec would be an option here
Agreed (as I stated already; just agreeing here again).
sntp could depend on on the ntpdig package from #1003966, but it would probably need to carry a compatibility symlink
Good point.
ntpdate and ntp could be transitional packages on the ntpsec counterparts as well, but since ntpsec/ntpsec-ntpdate has Conflicts/Replaces on the src:ntp binary packages it needs coordination.For this reason building the transitional binaries from src:ntpsec would probably be easier.
Sure.
How do we feel about this process then:
1. I split out ntpdig, as suggested in #1003966. This is presumably
ntpsec-ntpdig for consistency with the rest being ntpsec-*.
Maybe upload this at this step, to start the NEW process.
2. I create transitional binary packages in src:ntpsec:
ntp -> ntpsec
ntp-doc -> ntpsec-doc
ntpdate -> ntpsec-ntpdate
sntp -> ntpsec-ntpdig
with an sntp -> ntpdig symlink
3. Get a review from you (Bernhard) if you're willing?
4. Upload.
5. Then Bernhard requests ftpmasters remove src:ntp. Is that how
that works?
Can be done in any order:
N. Mass bug filing on that list of packages, that they should use:
Depends: systemd-timesyncd | time-daemon
If we're going to promote chrony instead, then I think we need some
more discussion and there would be more work, as it seems we should
then replace systemd-timesyncd with chrony in default installs too.
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Richard
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