Bastian Blank - 19.10.18, 12:25: > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 11:35:54AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > So Devuan almost doubles the percentage of sysvinit-core > > installations. > Devuan is _not_ Debian. They forked it, with the full knowledge that > they might have to do all the work to support their choices. They had > the chance to not do that, contribute the proper changes back to > support their use case. They we might have had a proper maintained > sysvinit. > > But instead they flip tables by even seeing systemd units or > libsystemd, which by definition does nothing in this context. If > someone comes up with a usable systemd service to init script > converter, I don't think Debian would opt against using it to provide > a service for our users. What would they do?
As long as people choose to strip of dependencies to libsystemd from packages like util-linux, avoiding a fork would not work with how Debian and Debian based distributions are built. Devuan developers chose to do that and its perfectly their choice doing so. I am not at all interested to discuss that choice here, so in case you insist on recycling a discussion from the past… I let go on replying to you any further. I also do not think that back then just shortly after all the hurting each other during the fierce discussion about Systemd introduction in Debian a cooperation would have worked out nicely. Now I see an opportunity for such a cooperation and Devuan developers like KatolaZ have offered it. Debian has hundreds of derived distributions which co-exist peacefully with Debian. If for the time being Devuan is one of them, I see no issue what-so-ever with it. Apart from letting go off the past, apart from letting go off old hurting, apart from accepting that different people decide differently on libsystemd and other init system related topics and from accepting that no one is right or wrong on this there is really nothing to see here. Again: The past *is* in the past. It is not now. It is over, it is gone. It is just a memory. It does not exist in itself. The more you insist on recreating it again, the most you insist to continue to suffer. Which is perfectly your choice. It is my choice to do something different instead. -- Martin
