On Sun, 20 May 2018 at 19:26:22 +0000, Jose Miguel Parrella Romero wrote:
> Of course, for folks that live in a CI/CD environment where the build
> log and the stop light are the vehicles of accountability, the concept
> of a piuparts run happening after you've uploaded and getting a bug
> report that you then go address and "start over" is almost foreign to them.
I think Paul Gevers' point about the primary QA gate being between
unstable and testing is a key insight here.
Another factor is that the most complete possible set of QA checks is
too slow to be something that we can expect maintainers to run before
uploading to unstable. If you build for amd64 and i386 (for multiarch
co-installability), do a separate architecture-independent build
(because that's what the production buildds do), run build-time tests,
run autopkgtests, and run piuparts, then preparing, installing and
smoke-testing an upload can take hours of processing (and if it fails,
you get to start again).
I do that for dbus, but it's far too slow to be something I would be
comfortable with requiring all maintainers to do, and simultaneously
not as thorough as it could be. In principle there are more checks that
I ought to be doing, like running autopkgtest in LXC as well as in qemu
(because maybe the tests will fail in that more restrictive environment)
or running dependent packages' autopkgtests (which could take multiple
days for a heavily-used package like dbus, systemd or python) - but I have
to balance "test the new release thoroughly" against "get a release out
in a finite time". The longer it takes me to do a complete release, the
fewer occasions there are when I have enough uninterrupted time to do one.
If we had more machines running CI/CD tests against VCS repositories,
then maybe I could commit a release candidate to salsa.debian.org,
let the tests run, and come back hours or days later to tag a release -
but that isn't going to work if what I'm releasing is an embargoed
security fix that needs to be kept confidential until release time.
(We also don't currently have enough Gitlab CI runners for everyone
to run tests on them, and not every package's tests can be run in the
Docker containers used on salsa.debian.org or the LXC containers used
on ci.debian.net: anything that plays with namespaces, containers and
mount points, like bubblewrap, flatpak and debootstrap, is going to run
into limitations around nested containers, which don't work because they
are difficult or impossible to provide securely. We'd have better test
coverage if packages could rely on being able to run tests in a qemu
virtual machine.)
smcv
