Philippe Cerfon wrote: > Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > > I think there was consensus to introduce the non-free-firmware > > section > > and move the non-free firmware blobs there. I'm wondering what we > > need > > to do next? > > While it's good that at least something happens it's really sad and > kinda disturbing to see that a more narrow-minded solution is taken, > while a better proposal lies on the table. > Especially since the non-free-firmware seems to make it less likely, > that a non-open could ever happen.
Not true at all. A future change to build a more fine-grained version of non-free could happen just as easily with or without this change. > When Debian is anyway about to add new suites and people will have to > adapt to that, why not implementing a more powerful schema that not > only allows to opt-in to closed-source firmware, but also allows to, > at the same time, opt-out of other closed-source software, while > allowing at the same time to opt-IN to non-free, but open software? Two reasons. First, and more importantly, because we can very easily define exactly what "firmware" means to support classifying packages, whereas we'd spend a long time bikeshedding other fine-grained distinctions among proprietary software and determining exactly which classifications make sense to have sections for. The most critical classification people have asked for separates firmware from other proprietary software; let's get that implemented rather than putting it off in favor of more discussion. Second, as a point of terminology (and a critical one, *not* a bikeshed-painting distinction): "free" and "open" refer to the same set of licenses, and the phrasing you've used would produce massive confusion. (The terms differ in what they imply about the views of the person using them, and in the exact definitions used, but in practice every license that qualifies as "Open Source" qualifies as "Free Software" and vice versa.) "Proprietary software with source available" does not qualify as either Open Source or Free Software, and we should not call it either. I welcome the work currently in progress to establish an archive for non-free firmware. And rather than spend a pile of time arguing over more extensive classifications, I'd rather work on making even more of non-free obsolete. - Josh Triplett
