Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > to debian-developers: the technical issues are irrelevant (and can > always be solved over time) - it's that you are complicit in removing > people's software freedom right to choose what to run on their system:
People still have that right, just as they have the right to run a system without glibc, PAM, or libpng; in all of those cases, they'll have to do some work to do so, and they shouldn't expect any significant support from developers for the result. Consider toning down the hyperbole if you actually care about convincing anyone who doesn't already agree with you. You're currently complaining at the developers of one of the only distributions to actually still make it an *option* to use systemd, rather than making it mandatory. In particular, anyone following systemd development can easily see the substantial volume of work that Debian's systemd maintainers have generously done to *accomodate people who don't want to run their software*, as well as the substantial effort this puts on people maintaining the surrounding packages to cope with such configurations. All while dealing with a regular stream of flames and vitriol about their work. > and that really is not > a judgement, it's simply an insightful summarising statement of fact: "insightful", really? Do you think yet another thread on debian-devel really added any significant value? And apparently "users who don't like systemd" was an insufficiently niche group, so instead you're starting a thread on behalf of the subset of those users who find the very sight of the string "systemd" in their package list revolting even when prefixed by "lib". > you have the right to choose whether the situation that you are > complicit in is something that you find acceptable or whether you do > not. i leave it entirely to you to decide. "The situation" being a pile of packages that depend on a 183k library, while going painfully out of their way to avoid any actual dependencies on systemd as the init system? Oh no, it's a sign of the imminent apocalypse. </sarcasm> I for one look forward to the day when configurations without systemd as the init system finally become so unsupportable that packages can start actually using systemd features without fear of reprisal, or at least shift the maintenance burden of such configurations to people who actually run them and care about them. - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150216043638.GA25449@thin
