Hello list, I hope it's appropriate here, I just wanted to say *thanks to everybody*, in particular the low level package and infrastructure maintainers for the excellent work they've done.
Yesterday I've upgraded my laptop with quite massive foreign package sources and installations (qgis packages, backports, stuff from ubuntu PPAs, nodejs, a dozen packages from jessie etc.) from wheezy to jessie. Allthough apt-get dist-upgrade broke half way through due to unresolvable package dependencies, I was able to finish the upgrade via aptitude's ncurses interface. One problem when upgrading via apt-get is that if it breaks then I think there's no way a user that is not *very much* knowledgeable will be ever able to get his system back together. apt-get with or without -f will (in my case) flood the user with a broken dependencies listing which is far, far beyond trivial to act upon. So I think if Debian wants to embrace the "normal" desktop end user, then it *can not* point him to apt-get as the upgrade method of choice. I am not sure how pervasive non-debian package sources (mind you Debian backports are officially listed at Debian, but can break the upgrade none the less!) are in our install base, but there are a lot of upstream projects that do provide Debian packages and respective advice is easily found on the intertubes. I do not know how other Debian users handle tech, but my way of approaching technology is "just try". In the case of a Debian installation with foreign package sources that "apt-get dist-upgrade" approach will quite likely end with a broken system. So I think it'd be good to add a big fat warning to "apt-get dist-upgrade" if it finds non canonical sources to tell the user "you want to break your system now? Please go ahead and type 'YES' now" or have a different way for upgrading for "end users". Another point to note is that the migration to systemd went very smoothly - very few things broke - so applause to all the burned out parties out there and those that are sill holding out: you did a very good job. Thanks a lot! *t -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54772586.9060...@sourcepole.ch