-----Original Message-----
From: Riku Voipio <riku.voi...@iki.fi>
To: csir...@yahoo.com.au
Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian-embed...@lists.debian.org
Sent: Fri, 07 Nov 2014 22:36
Subject: Re: debootstrap and cdebootstrap vs systemd

> If you choose an old Soc vendor kernel, you effectively choose to use old
>userland from the same era. Better do your business plan based on it:

> "we won't upgrade userspace except for backported critical fixes and
> features we REALLY need"

Thanks Riku, however what's best for my userland should be up to me to figure 
out. Thanks to the amazing emdebian toolchain, it's trivial to build my system 
for any supported debian release. The Debian ecosystem also makes it trivial to 
rebuild packages from source, for example to make headless or "nox" versions 
where necessary.

Coupled with a completely automated, continuous build setup (from source for 
non-standard bits, including boot loader & kernel) I really enjoy developing 
for Debian!

But the software I maintain, not to mention its supporting pieces, run in 
places other than embedded. Maintaining two release branches in light of the 
ease of building and maintaining sid userland isn't an obvious choice.

Finally can I just re-iterate: these are not "old" or obscure SoCs; TI and 
freescale each have massive sales in CPU lines that don't have >3.0 kernels. 
The world's biggest Qseven COM vendor doesn't have an ARM board that supports 
>3.0 kernels. Even gumstix, popular in the open source scene, their newest 
boards don't have kernels >3.5.

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