Just my opinion, as requested below. Sorry for top-posting.

I have just installed a distro on my wife's new laptop. It was Mint due to 
Cinnamon. My parents had an old Ubuntu with KDE 3 (he) and Gnome 2 (she). Now 
they have a new Ubuntu with a "their kind of Gnome" and they do noy like it. I 
use Debian Sid with KDE 4 after having tried Gnome 3 (weird), XFCE (does not 
mount my USB disks) and the first KDE 4 releases (not fit for release). It 
starts being useable now, but it still uses so much resources.

My desktop works so and so, but is a dependencies nightmare so big that I have 
installed a virtual machine just for having a stable version of KMail in my 
desktop (I use ssh -x to the vm).

As a resume, nothing has ben the same since the developers massively become mad 
and decided to kill the working, stable, usable and configurable Desktop 
metaphore and run like Lemmings into the current set of shits.

Just a long time user opinion.

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-------- Mensaje original --------
De: Tiago Bortoletto Vaz <ti...@debian.org> 
Fecha:09/08/2014  4:57  (GMT+00:00) 
Para: debian-devel@lists.debian.org 
Asunto: Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop 

On 08/08/2014 09:07 AM, Axel Wagner wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> vita...@yourcmc.ru writes:
>> By "neutral" I've meant a DE without "dubious" solutions discussed in 
>> gnome3 flame wars all over the web. I don't really think we should also 
>> discuss it here, just because we don't really want to start another 
>> flame war :)
> 
> If you don't want to discuss your statement, you should have omitted
> it in the first place, because it obviously is no contribution to the 
> discussion.
> 
>> Of course I have no real numbers! What I've said is just my personal 
>> opinion, based on that I've seen a lot of flame wars about GNOME 3 on 
>> the web, and a non-zero count of forks/derivatives of GNOME 3 all aiming 
>> at providing a "more classic" environment (MATE, Cinnamon, Consort, 
>> Budgie).
> 
> Your personal opinion is certainly not an argument that needs to be
> taken into consideration for deciding on a default for debian,
> especially if it is formed on such dubious grounds.

It is, as it's the amazing job which Jordi did on bringing good
arguments in favor of GNOME as a default DE (even I'm not really
supporting it).

Anyway, I may not be contributing to the original issue this thread, but
I have to ask you here to avoi being so rude with our users.

And dear users, please keep sharing your personal experience with
Debian, even if you are unable to quanti-qualify things in fancy numbers
to please those who don't agree with you.

Regards,

-- 
tiago


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