-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 07/03/2014 11:53 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> The Wanderer <wande...@fastmail.fm> writes: > >> I, for one, would be highly displeased if a routine dist-upgrade to >> testing required me to reboot to avoid having things break. > >> I generally dist-upgrade my primary computer to testing about once >> a week, give or take, but I don't reboot it more often than once a >> month - more commonly three to six months, and I'd prefer that to >> be longer if possible. (And often when I do reboot, it's due to a >> power outage that overwhelms my UPS.) > >> Yes, this means that I don't get the benefit of some of the >> upgraded packages (e.g. new kernels) until I do reboot - but >> nothing breaks, either. Given the inconvenience of needing to shut >> down everything I'm doing (including dozens of xterms, many with >> running programs) to reboot, and manually bring up what parts of it >> I can afterwards, I'm entirely willing to live without those >> benefits in the interim. > > Speaking as someone who runs unstable on his laptop, power management > has not worked across a dist-upgrade many times in unstable during > both the current development cycle and the wheezy development cycle. > Usually it's just that suspend functions don't work without a reboot > (which in many cases, such as a new Linux kernel version, makes > obvious sense, but I've had it not work a bunch of times when there > wasn't a new kernel version), but I've had the power button in the > Xfce bar not work at all in the past. So this is already the current > state of play in Debian based on my personal experience, and has been > for quite some time. Suspend - or, rather, resume from suspend - hasn't worked on this (desktop) computer ever, that I've seen. Given the symptoms, I suspect the problem lies in fglrx, which is why I haven't bothered reporting it. On my laptop (which gets a similar upgrade pattern), by contrast, the only times I've ever seen suspend fail have been from an uninterruptable running task - most commonly updatedb trying to access an inaccessible NFS share. For whatever little or nothing that may be worth. > If you haven't noticed, I suspect that you don't have as high of a > sensitivity to things breaking than you might think. Or, at least, > things you care about have not broken. That's entirely possible, though I think the latter is a bit more likely than the former - particularly because I use rather fewer things than many other people, and don't use most fancy GUI elements. (For example, I don't have a graphical "power button" at all; I shut down by exiting my window manager, logging out of the console where I had originally run startx, logging in as root, and running 'shutdown -h'.) I'll also note that I specifically track testing, not unstable. I used to track unstable, but I had far too many problems (not all of which I could find a practical way to fix without a from-scratch reinstall) as a result, quite possibly including some of the sort of problems you're talking about. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTtiyNAAoJEASpNY00KDJrhzQP/3aLzEQVIffSgBls3G4Zp//F aiZmruScHxSap/yypJALEq1rvh+3IGSLAAvS0m1F/Aw51GtnMcog2f9dQrDG1Pr7 rP3QnqE+hFA2BiioZ/TaOwXdjC/ROydkShSYE43xkXgI1QHMmtdA4K5u2Yc4nJxv muNfXSDE5eaZ1ThUOslzC5uDrPPxi3x3hKtU309kv0CG2EJutOtKWWZZ8shMx0rD 5XeRy5PME1FzGsS2JXHbbnLJ4nU/VqXaJU08gIZJrlSMzMf42TB0ju/h2LakZ9BQ DzlHoNPA2mBH+dHE+OH2HVJxfQciAplQF6xKUuTItgMbs5/CAZH7hevgI4/Ku16M dyIWcTYR4XdBOX9VISpeqKRmdRGas+pSUgX2mErEifk8ExM5nA3umpce2pKD5sJ3 TPqmeZtrHDfZitsbIHGIUCvydRwDCKVZ0rge3ABX6g8Sgitib00aTaA7+o62M5ox mA7HN8U3DB+ychfZTJu8nrXRmsNJKTjW4yQFcmiMbgwoITusLAUs8CdRIvNs0xbf wPcgfJRH9hxX+2Z9aVM1KqlKRuGHToU8NRqekE9PH441/KXPmRHlT9OMBxmxEWTX TuPD5hpzSN/qyC7KQICnmg2YabJKACLNWaWYnuegsFAIFbrI2MZX81YP+C1AB7vP PV73sSfcywvv7ldNkoXi =Vplc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53b62c8d.5010...@fastmail.fm
