On 11/16/2013 08:37 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: > John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de> writes: > >> Russ claimed that XEmacs has some features that emacs doesn't, however, >> he wasn't able to mention them. > > The one that bothered me the most when I switched to Emacs was that XEmacs > narrows the cursor when it as the end of a line, which is very nice for > detecting trailing whitespace. I came up with a hack for Emacs that > mostly simulates this, but requires running elisp after every single > keystroke.
Well, emacs marks trailing white spaces as red blocks. At least in non-windowed mode. > The faces handling between Emacs and XEmacs is way different, which means > that if you have extensive XEmacs customization, switching to Emacs can be > quite painful. (It was for me.) Ok. But this isn't really an argument for or against either version, it simply originates from the fact that both are separate packages. > I believe that color handling is better in XEmacs than Emacs, although I > forget what I ran into and have subsequently gotten used to what Emacs > does. Hmm, ok. There are rare cases where colors, i.e. contrast is poor on emacs when editing certain text but it works fine in most cases for me. > There were various other things that I just did without when I switched > several years ago, but my recollections are hazy plus it's probably not > fair since I switched some time ago and Emacs has gotten better. (I've > not personally used Emacs 24 yet, for example, so I don't know what it can > do.) However, I've had discussions with other friends who use the Emacs > family heavily and who are still on XEmacs and they had a long list of > things that didn't work the way they wanted in Emacs. They weren't things > that affected me personally, so I'm afraid I don't remember the details > beyond thinking at the time that they were reasonable concerns. I would love to hear these, too ;). > Emacs vs. XEmacs is a little like the perpetual vim vs. nvi argument. > They work differently. Which is "better" can be a matter of opinion, > speaking as an nvi user who can't stand vim despite the fact that vim > clearly does more and nvi is in deep-freeze maintenance mode. If you're > used to one of them, switching to the other one is painful. I didn't know that people were fighting such wars over this. I thought the original idea of XEmacs was to port emacs to X11 which had not happened prior to that. > If someone proposed to remove nvi from the archive because vim is better, > I would be quite annoyed. If it ever did get removed from the archive, I > would probably adopt it and reintroduce it, because nvi is the editor that > I'm used to for small files and for root editing tasks, I want to keep > using it, and none of the things that are wrong with it are fatal for that > usage. I am not saying that I want to actively remove packages because I don't like them. Please don't get me wrong. I was just worried about reintroducing bugs. >> As mentioned before by Paul and Andreas, we're wondering why all of a >> sudden Mark is picking up the package while it has been abandoned all >> the time and eventually removed. There was no ITA as far as I know. > > Because he just now got around to it? Because he thought he'd be able to > deal without it but decided he didn't want to? Because he now has enough > free time to do a proper job of it? > > And, rather more to the point, what the hell business is it of yours? > Other Debian Developers don't have to justify their priorities and the > disposition of their time to you. I think this sort of grilling is quite > demoralizing and frustrating. Jeez, no need to freak out. I elaborated my reasons and I was just asking questions. I am not hampering anyones freedom whatsoever, I am just worried about bugs in general because I remember how utterly annoying the last freeze was because of this. And, really, I didn't start this discussion, there is no need to solely bash me now for asking questions. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `- GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5287ce68.9040...@physik.fu-berlin.de
