On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Tollef Fog Heen <tfh...@err.no> wrote: > > ]] Thomas Goirand > > > If what you say above is right (I have no opinion on that yet, I just > > trust what you say), then this renders the "systemd is modular" argument > > completely useless, because practically, the user wont be able to > > choose. Which is why I was asking specifically Michael about this, since > > he raised the fact that systemd is modular and components can be disabled. > > The primary point about the modularity is to limit what happens in init > itself, not to have optional modules if it can be avoided. > > > So my original question to Michael remains: what component should be > > activated by default, which one could be optional, and how can these > > options be enabled or disabled. I've heard about journald. which seems > > controversial (I also don't have any option about it myself yet). Could > > this one be optional, and not activated by default for example? What are > > the systemd maintainers opinion about it? > > I believe I already answered this, so I'm not sure why you're asking > again.
Tollef, it is still unclear to me as well. You said: > I'd like to align with upstream here (and in general): If upstream says > a component is optional, that's a configuration I'd in general want to > support. If upstream says a component is not optional, well, then I'm > unlikely to go to the effort of making it optional. and if I match this with the table at: http://people.debian.org/~stapelberg/docs/systemd-dependencies.html I get the result that you will _not_ compile systemd with: libselinux.so libpam.so libwrap.so libaudit.so libkmod.so because they are marked as optional in the table. Is that true or not? I am quite lost, because wheezy systemd package has these dependencies: Depends: libacl1 (>= 2.2.51-8), libaudit0 (>= 1.7.13), libc6 (>= 2.11), libcap2 (>= 2.10), libcryptsetup4 (>= 2:1.4), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.1.1), libkmod2 (>= 5~), liblzma5 (>= 5.1.1alpha+20120614), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libselinux1 (>= 2.0.65), libsystemd-daemon0 (>= 31), libsystemd-id128-0 (>= 38), libsystemd-journal0 (>= 38), libsystemd-login0 (>= 38), libudev0 (>= 172), libwrap0 (>= 7.6-4~), util-linux (>= 2.19.1-2), initscripts (>= 2.88dsf-17), udev And this list include all of them. So either the webpage "optional" means a different thing than upstream "optional" or the future-to-be PID1 package will not include these dependencies. Can you please clarify? O. -- Ondřej Surý <ond...@sury.org>
