On 22/05/13 at 05:50 +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote: > Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > I went through the various init systems threads again during the last > > few days. My understanding of the consensus so far is the following: > > > > - Both systemd and upstart bring many useful features, and are a > > clear improvement over sysvinit. > > Yes, both are an improvement over sysvinit. > > > It is not clear which one of systemd > > or upstart is the best on the technical level. Many of the differences > > have grounds in differences of philosophy, which can easily be seen as > > pros or cons. > > I think this is false, both as a description of fact and as a > description of claimed consensus view. Systemd has advanced > significantly further than upstart, and this is more a technical reality > than a matter of opinion like something such as preferred GUI behavior; > this is better compared to whether Linux or MINIX was a more promising > platform for future development in the 1990s. There is a lack of > consensus, rather than a consensus that it's a matter of opinion or > philosophy with no clear technical arguments.
We can argue for a long time about which one is technically better. The result of that discussion does not matter much (since you are invoking Linux vs MINIX, look at Hurd vs Linux). If I were you, I would be very worried about the risk that the decision will be taken not by looking at which one is the best, but by looking at which one is de-facto supported in Debian. In that area, systemd is very late, since: - AFAIK nobody has started the effort to document things in policy - there are 300+ upstart job files ready to be imported from Ubuntu So, please work on: - policy support - outlining how systemd and sysvinit can properly co-exist in the archive (this is required in any case for the duration of the transition) - outlining how the transition could be achieved, eased, and tracked Lucas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130522061634.ga25...@xanadu.blop.info
