On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 08:52:29PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Being able to choose between two entirely different desktop > environments, with different user experiences, is a good thing. > Being able to choose between two /bin/sh shells or two /sbin/init > implementations is not.
The shell I can agree with. It is required to provide a POSIX shell, so as long as it is fully functional and performs well, just picking one and sticking with it is absolutely fine. I can't agree with having no choice with regard to init. We aren't all using GNOME, and Debian is used in an extremely diverse set of fields for a multitude of different purposes. No one init is appropriate for all of these applications. systemd fails on safety grounds alone for a good number of uses. That much complexity is an unacceptable risk for PID1 failure. We all saw where GNOME took use with their lack of choice: an unusable trainwreck. It's a disgrace that this shipped as the default desktop for wheezy, it really is. Quite how that happened I have no idea. I absolutely don't want to see a repeat of that horror with the basic operation of our system. The fact that GNOME is going to *require* systemd is really just yet another reflection upon the stupidity of tight-coupling and what happens when you start trying to control others. What are they, Microsoft or something? It's a bad attitude I never thought I'd see in the free software world--up until now we took great pains to be interoperable with each others rather than forcing the rest of the world to conform to our worldview. One desktop environment, and an awful one at that, dictating the init system we use is a complete farce. Debian is a lot bigger than GNOME, and if we have to, I'd vote for junking it entirely. -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linux http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild http://alioth.debian.org/projects/buildd-tools `- GPG Public Key F33D 281D 470A B443 6756 147C 07B3 C8BC 4083 E800 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130511194430.gb21...@codelibre.net
