Somewhat crazy idea, but let's see. ----------- The problem -----------
Subjectiveness of Recommends. Debian policy declares Recommends as "strong but not absolute" dependency. Maintainers have different subjective opinions of what belongs to Recommends/Depends/Suggests. Some put a lot of extra stuff to Recommends. Because of that, and also for historial reasons (Recommends were not installed by default for a lot of time) many switch off installing Recommends globally. Some users and developers even publicly advertise doing that to keep the system cleaner. This in turn makes harder for maintainers to do 'Depends -> Recommends' moves. -------- The idea -------- tl;dr: Soft-Depends: a {90%}, b (>= 1.2) {20%}, c (>= 4) {99%}, c (>= 6) {70%} Soft-Depends: iceweasel {50%,tag:desktop}, curl {95%,if_not_installed:wget} Soft-Depends: debdelta {10%,text:"to enable automatic delta downloading"} The idea is to (eventually) replace Recommends and Suggests with new one field Soft-Depends (Weak-Depends, whatever), which would have the scalable ability to express when this relation is expected to be satisfied. The maintainer could use one or more standardized expressions, most important of which would be the percent of installations as guessed by mainainer. Package managers can implement various actions and thresholds to (better) satisfy different kind of users. Package managers would ignore expressions it doesn't recognize/understand. System administrators could finely adjust the package manager of choice, for example: Some embedded system: - >80%: display/suggest; Some minimal system: - >95%: enable by default; - >75%: ask interactively; - >50%: display/suggest; - >25%,tag:server: ask interactively; Default: - >90%: enable by default; - >40%: display/suggest; Newbie system with enough disk space: - >33%: enable by default; - >5%,text: ask interactively; Transition period could be 2-3 releases. 'Suggests: x' can be converted to/treated as 'Soft-Depends: x {10%}' and 'Recommends: y' -- 'Soft-Depends: y {90%}'. Numbers/tags are quite arbitrary -- to give the picture. -- Eugene V. Lyubimkin aka JackYF, JID: jackyf.devel(maildog)gmail.com C++ GNU/Linux userspace developer, Debian Developer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130508185154.GA4105@debian-w500.Elisa