On 01/06/2012 05:12 PM, Tanguy Ortolo wrote: > Thomas Goirand, 2012-01-06 08:56+0100: > >> Also, it's very surprising to see that we have dependencies for web >> servers, but most of the time *not* for mysql-server, which is as much >> needed in order to run these applications. I really don't understand the >> logic behind this. >> > The database server used by a given piece of software can be installed > on another system. The Web server cannot. >
See my reply to Miroslav about this. >> But since I would install these packages in the chroot template, I *do >> not* want to install apache there. The result is that I can't install >> popuplar packages like wordpress, gallery, phpbb3 and so on, unless I >> rebuild them and remove the "apache2 | httpd" dependency. I suspect that >> I wouldn't be the only one with the issue. >> > This sounds like you are using your own crafted stuff to provide the > needs of your software stuff. Just like someone that would for instance > compile his own version of Python from sources. Why do you think this is uncommon? Doing shared hosting services isn't, and if you don't use a good chrooted thing, you don't have security. I don't need to compile ANYTHING, I use plain Debian, and all packages that comes with it. And I would like to keep things this way. > Well, in such a case I > see it as a will not to use the package manager, and thus your > responsibility to do whatever is needed to fool it. This is usually done > by creating fake empty packages, I guess. > That's exactly what I would like to avoid! >> Remember that a strong dependency is *forcing* users to install things, >> and when, like here, it's going the wrong way for what one would do, >> it's just *bad* (tm). >> > No it is not. Using a package-based distribution that could take care of > dependencies and not using that feature is, however. > Then please explain to me how I can install let's say wordpress, in a chroot (and of course, without apache), without doing some hacks! Yes, wordpress is FORCING ME to install a web server package. > That it would be a very bad thing to do. Most users want to install > software so that it works without further questions. Excuse my wording, but that's plain wrong (no aggressiveness intended). These packages don't depend on a database server, so that's not the case. > You are in a very > specific, specialized case, so you should be able to deal with it. > Plain simple: we can support ANY cases (by not depending on a web server), or we can say that we only want to support SOME of them, in which case we should also depend on a MySQL server. Otherwise, there's absolutely no logic at all in what we are doing. Also again, how hard is it to just do "apt-get install apache2"? Do you *seriously* think that someone capable of installing a MySQL server, a php web app, AND configuring the web server to run it, can't do this? Again, remember that most apps will NOT setup the virtualhost thing, as this is a task left to the administrator. Also, if we have the web server dependency downgraded as a Recommends:, then BY DEFAULT, it will be pulled. So what's the big deal here? Cheers, Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f06c9c8.3050...@debian.org
