On Sun 30/10/11 18:51, "Russ Allbery" r...@debian.org wrote: > Frank lin Piat fp...@klabs.be writes: > On Sun 30/10/11 11:31 , Daniel Baumann wrote:: > >> packages that need root have to use su-to-root in order to play > >> well on live systems (where you know at runtime if sudo, > >> su, gksu, $whatever has to be used). your package list contains > >> such cases. [..] > > What about moving the su-to-root binary to a different > > binary package ? > > Bill what's your PoV about spliting it ? > > We've had this discussion many times, unfortunately, without any > forward progress at all. Bill would like there to be an xdg-su > or the like that is part of xdg-utils.
A XDG standard would be nice (and is the best solution), but to be useful it sould be adopted by all existing software in Debian. > xdg-utils upstream doesn't want to support anything like that > because they prefer PolicyKit (as I understand it). I certainly agree that PolicyKit seems to have some nice features and therefore I understand that Freedesktop wants to go ahead with it in the future. (I also understand that they don't want to develop a *new* tool for legacy software using "Prior Art"/flaws [1]). Unfortunately, from a Debian perspective, we have a different problem: we have lots of *existing* software that were designed according to the so called "Prior Art"[1]. It seems unrealistic to me that all existing software ever get migrated to a $POLICYKIT thing. Many of those software will remain as-is and die once they are superseded, and it is going to take a while. So we need to maintain a tool compatible with the existing sofware and art, don't we? (We might even imagine that at some point, some sysadmin will want to make sure that no single $SUDO program is installed in their permises, but that's another story). > Clint isn't interested in adding a sensible-su with similar > functionality to sensible-utils. > Bill wasn't interested in splitting menu in the absence of one of > those more general solutions. > > We're at an impasse and have been for about three years. (Thanks, I fount #514882 on this topic). Any chance to go ahead? It would be a pity if the only solution was to fork su-to-root (and possible merge xdg-su[2]) in a new source+binary package :-( Regards, Franklin [1] http://hal.freedesktop.org/docs/PolicyKit/polkit-spec-history.html [2] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=514882#26 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/49211.1320007...@klabs.be
