On Wed, 2011-10-19 at 11:22 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 06:46:26PM +0200, Roland Mas wrote: > > Yves-Alexis Perez, 2011-10-18 18:35:04 +0200 : > > > I'm not even sure network-manager is needed on the desktop install, > > > but eh. > > > > $ LANG=C aptitude why network-manager > > i gnome-core Depends network-manager-gnome (>= 0.8.999) > > i A network-manager-gnome Depends network-manager (>= 0.9) > > And since network-manager disallows even basic networking above "a single > interface with DHCP", this makes the gnome-core metapackage useless.
This is simply nonsense. NM allows multiple interfaces, static addressing, static routes, IPv4 and IPv6, and it does all this using the proper kernel interfaces. > I'm not talking about router setups. Try a regular desktop with IPv6 that > runs virtual machines (VirtualBox, lxc) and has usb networking[1] enabled so > I can copy things to/from the phone ten times faster than over wifi. You > can't have any of this with n-m. Is 'USB networking' something other than a USB-attached Ethernet adapter? Does it not work with Network Manager? Virtual machine networking works just fine for me with virt-manager and network-manager. > Also, http://bugs.debian.org/542095 -- this came up already before and after > a brief flamewar has been promptly fixed. Yet since a few days ago the hard > dependency on n-m is back. The FAQ says it doesn't support: PPP, PPPoE, Mobile Broadband, VPNs, or controlling two interfaces at the same time (I think that means it only brings one *up* at a time - out of one wired and one wireless). Based on the web site, it doesn't appear to have a GUI for configuring encryption; you have to edit text files. Which is fine for you and me, but not what I would call user-friendly. Quite why GNOME should have this inferior alternative, I don't know. If you want to make your own custom desktop then fine, but don't demand that a desktop metapackage should support it. Ben. > [1]. Many thanks to new udev which makes the usb0 interface work out of the > box, including hotplugging. -- Ben Hutchings 73.46% of all statistics are made up.
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