On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:17:38 +0200, "Bernhard R. Link" <brl...@debian.org> wrote: ... > > - Taking time to download and install, which increases the time and > > bandwidth needed to install or upgrade a Debian system. > > Please drop the "upgrade". If you deinstall it there is no cost at > upgrading.
I think the point here is that people that accept a default install are liable to not be brave enough to remove chunks of the system, or even perceptive enough to notice that some daemon that seems to be surplus to requirements is running, let alone then doing the work to find out that they can safely remove it, and then actually do so. Also, most normal users will never remove it on the basis that it's "standard" (assuming that they discover that fact). That being the case, they will get every upgrade. My brother comes to mind -- he's pretty happy with Debian and if he didn't know me it's _just_ possible that he'd have installed it himself, but would have simply accepted every default. He uses icedove as his MUA, pointed at a remote SMTP/IMAP server -- I seriously doubt that he'd ever see root mails, and even if he did, he'd ignore them as he cheerfully did on all his windows boxen in their death throws -- I'm not sure what we should do about that, but running exim seems unlikely to be the answer. The alternative group that is served by having an MTU, but naive enough to not know they need one seems to me to be smaller, but maybe I'm missing something. Then of course there's the group that probably includes all the people in this thread, that know exactly when and where they want to install which MTU. My preferred default would be postfix, with ssmtp on client type machines, so I generally preseed all that to avoid pointlessly installing exim, which of course means that my personal preferences are totally irrelevant to this discussion, as we're trying to determine useful defaults for people that will end up living with those defaults. Cheers, Phil. -- |)| Philip Hands [+44 (0)20 8530 9560] http://www.hands.com/ |-| HANDS.COM Ltd. http://www.uk.debian.org/ |(| 10 Onslow Gardens, South Woodford, London E18 1NE ENGLAND
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