> I heard that the original DEC vt100? terminals had delete there and so they
Nope. The VT100 *actually* had both keys there: +--++--++--+ |~`||BS||BK| +--++--++--+ +---++--+ | ||DL| | |+--+ +--+ |+--+ | RET ||\|| +------++--+ where "RET" was labeled RETURN, "DL" was labeled "DELETE", "BK" was labeled BREAK, and BS was labeled "BACK SPACE" (one word above the other.) The arrow keys were a row of up down left right, with right directly above backspace. In the days of the vt100 ("when dinosaurs roamed the machine room") backspace *meant* "move the cursor back one space". It did *not* mean delete anything. This was compatible with printing terminals. It was often used for accents (e backspace ') or APL (quad backspace quote, but you needed a vt102 with the right character roms to handle that one.) In the former case, the OS (well, the front end processor actually) saw the e, echoed it, saw the backspace, echoed it, then saw the ' and echoed é (well, whatever the local terminal description had for that, it wasn't ISO8859-1 that early.) The point of this is only to provide a history lesson. I *don't* think that "what a vt100 does" is a particularly useful data point for this argument. (Also, I'm in favor of making Ian's detailed plan policy, just to end the arguments -- we've had thousands of messages (hundreds in the bugsystem alone) on the subject, without any otherwise notable progress.) _Mark_ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The Herd of Kittens Debian X Maintainer ps. Of course the behaviour in paragraph 2 has nothing to do with unix either; unix terminal handling is far too primitive for that. Long Live Multics :-) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .