2010/7/21 Jesús M. Navarro <jesus.nava...@undominio.net>: > Hi, Hans: > > On Wednesday 21 July 2010 19:38:02 Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: >> Hi community, >> >> well, I think, the main problem is, WHO are the persons, you want to >> actiuvate. > > [...] > >> Group 4: People, who decide in business, which OS to use. > > [...] > >> Group 4: Business deciders are a big problem. They only see money! > > There's nothing inherently wrong with that, specially when Debian can help on > this front too. > >> But I >> think, if you want to convince them, then you need a web prensentation or a >> presentation at all, who makes the idea of debian clear: save costs through >> the work of a community , development will be guaranteed in the future, use >> of real standards, more power for less money, no license problems and some >> other things I forgot. For those people, a presentation should be developed >> by people, who create professionell advertisements. > > That's an old rant of mine. Not exactly "colorful shiny brochures" but, yes, > being able to make a discourse to reach their ears in a language that they > are able to understand. On this, I think DPL can say and do a lot. > > I always asked myself (rethoric question, since I have my own answer) why is > it the case that hardware and even proprietary software vendors (Dell, IBM, > HP, Oracle, SAP...) don't use Debian as their base platform of choice given > its obvious monetary and strategic advantages to them and go instead with, > say, Red Hat or SUSE. > > With Debian there's no risk for them to be stabbed in the back if wind > changes; there's no need for signing "early access" programs for them to know > what will happen on the next release or going into a market tit-for-tat, > heck, with only a little of fair play and time they can even have an obvious > direct impact being the very driving force that makes Debian advance in the > direction that better suits them (anyone can be a DD and anyone can make a > difference with its own work; this is basically a meritocracy, after all) > without need of dealing with CxOs of other companies with different agendas > and even competing goals. > > With this in mind *why* IBM, Oracle, Dell... are not literally rushing for > Debian -on the premise that *I* would benefit from that in the form of more > man hours even for boring things, better hardware support or > more "enterprise-grade" tools? > > My opinion is that happens because IBM, Oracle, Dell... big boys go playing > golf with Red Hat or SUSE big guys but they don't know a Debian big boy to > talk to and because of this they don't know the message Debian could bring to > them (since they don't listen to "minions", they only listen to their pairs). > > That's where the DPL can help a lot: by acting to those big guys as one of > them. Somehow in their minds, Ellison, Dell, Zacchiroli... should resound > as "birds of a feather" as much as possible. > > Is Ubuntu any better platform for Oracle to run their Database or for Dell to > certify their hardware than Debian? I don't think so. How is it then that > they do with this relatively new kid in the block what they haven't done with > Debian in more than a decade? My answer is that Ubuntu has a Shuttleworth to > talk to them, face to face, in their same language but Debian do not. > > Cheers. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: > http://lists.debian.org/201007220158.50262.jesus.nava...@undominio.net > >
Also I imagine that it helps that they have some kind of commercial support behind their projects, whereas Debian has little/none of that. -- -Will Orr -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlkti=+kfzlbd0dqbd-pvhyyvzk6mp-pw-ju5woh...@mail.gmail.com
